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rjathon

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PostSubject: PCM Programming   Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:27 pm

I read a thread on the Impala SS forum about folks getting their PCM reprogrammed for increased performance. I perused a few websites and it raised some questions. My two 1996 Roadmasters are completely stock. They both have 2.56 rear ends. I am delighted with how they run, shift, etc. I drive like an old lady...slow acceleration, gentle shifts, lots of coasting before stops.

What caught my eye was the "economy tune" claiming up to a 5 mile per gallon mileage increase. That would be very nice as I found a gas station twelve miles away that serves up ethanol free gas. When I go to visit my mother I can't quite do it on one tank of gas. There are no ethanol free providers near her so I end up polluting my system with ethanol. Yuck. A mild increase in mileage efficiency would fix this problem.

I don't know much about how it works. Is it a reasonable thing to do? They mention disabling lots of stuff. Is there a downside to that? Would an economy tune adversely effect the reliability or durability of the engine and drive train?

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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:43 am

+5 mpg is a lot. If it's mostly gentle hiway driving, and your car is already in good shape, I doubt programming your PCM could ever make that happen.
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:46 am

5mpg is certainly no "mild" increase, either.
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:37 am

Thank you,

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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:45 pm

Inflate your tires to 50psi,.
run skinny 225-75's

run the car in 3 rd gear going up hills,.2:56's are the worst for fuel mileage UNLESS on relatively flat ground,.


use neutral coming down hills,.

read up on "hypermiling" driving tips and tricks,..

you'll gain a bunch of mileage,.
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:33 pm

Now Nick...
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:54 pm

when I got my first wagon it was a 94 with 2.56 rear and it was a 1A2 which made it about 70% Police car (lacking suspension bits of a 9c1).

I mention it as I'm sure the tune was different than a normal wagon. back in the ethonal free times of 2007 when I bought it, I got about 425 miles out of two consecutive tanks cruising at 65-70 MPH in overdrive.
This was from Erie, PA back down to flatland where I live so there was up and down in there, but mostly interstate.

The only other time I've come close to that mileage was in a 91 Olds, TBI 305 with a 2.73 rear going North from Georgia in Virginia, where I got about 390 miles out of a tank. Now mind you the TBI tank you can only run about 18 gallons out of before they suck air and you stall.

I've also noticed that there is a big difference in MPG if you keep it under 70.
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:44 am

One of the main differences in the tunes is that they up the spark advance. Often this requires premium fuel to take advantage of it, so any FE gains are offset by more expensive fuel.

talk to the Impala ss folks and see if anybody has real world data.
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:23 am

As a follow on, a good buddy of mine Impalassdude on the Impala forum has a 94 SS. He got a tune and said he gained about 4-5 mpg Highway on it. I'm sure he'll answer a PM over there (he's on here too occasionally as wagondude as he has a 95 wagon, but he's on the ISSF far more frequently)
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:51 pm

autoarcheologist wrote:
One of the main differences in the tunes is that they up the spark advance.  Often this requires premium fuel to take advantage of it, so any FE gains are offset by more expensive fuel.

talk to the Impala ss folks and see if anybody has real world data.

There's a lot more to it than that. You can do a mileage tune with 87.
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:43 pm

Does anybody know what they actually change to get 5 mpg?

I was a power train engineer for 3 years at Chrysler. We didn't just leave power or FE on the table if we could improve it. Besides fuel and spark timing what do they modify? You are already running at Stoich when you are running closed loop. Unless you want to run lean I don't see where the gains come from.

Power I get, bump spark timing and use 91 fuel.
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:09 pm

autoarcheologist wrote:
Does anybody know what they actually change to get 5 mpg?   

They would have to change cars to get that!!
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:01 am

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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:27 pm

lakeffect wrote:
GM LONG ROOF FORUM CONSUMER ALERT

NEVER beleive the words 'UP to" or "AS LOW AS" in any advertising claim.

In addition to the above,never believe the phrase "sidepipes are cool on wagons"! Razz
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:59 pm

Zing!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:48 pm

In fact the sidepipes are only cool in the morning, after running they are usually very hot, and thus need guards to protect your legs from bad burns and singed wool. I would know this from the reports that the sheep tell me.
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:44 pm

autoarcheologist wrote:
Does anybody know what they actually change to get 5 mpg?  

http://www.lt1pcmtuning.com/tips/

5 mpg is probably a bit of a stretch. There is definitely room for improvement from stock though.
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:51 pm

I have often heard of "up to 5 mpg increase" but everyone that I have talked to has said that it will not happen on factory set up.

Everyone that I have talked to about getting an increase in MPG, has made many extra mods along with a tune.

Some sort of CAI, headers, full exhaust will definitely aid in getting "up to 5 mpg". While gaining the extra mpg you will also gain a little extra cabin drone at the same time.

Sometimes i feel like trying to gain those extra few miles is worthless. I understand why you would like to gain the extra few miles, but for most people it is to save a few bucks on gas. By the time you spend the money on the tune, intake, and exhaust you are so far in the hole that it would take you years to see the savings.

On a side note, if you do get an answer from someone at the impala forum please let us know. I would like to look into it a little more. I would like to see some hard proven results, not just from a guy who said so.
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:55 pm

jasonlachapelle wrote:
autoarcheologist wrote:
Does anybody know what they actually change to get 5 mpg?  

http://www.lt1pcmtuning.com/tips/

5 mpg is probably a bit of a stretch.  There is definitely room for improvement from stock though.

By the way my favorite part of this article is the "BEFORE YOU BEGIN" section. I wonder how many people have done a tune and fixed many of these issues at the same time and then thinking that the tune actually gained me 5-15 mpg!!!!! Not realizing that the real issue was them not taking care of their car in the first place.

Thanks for posting that.
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:00 am

autoarcheologist wrote:

I was a power train engineer for 3 years at Chrysler.   We didn't just leave power or FE on the table if we could improve it.    

Now thats funny right there,...chrysler,. PFFFfffft,..
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PostSubject: Re: PCM Programming   Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:01 am

rjathon wrote:
Now Nick...

Now Nick what
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