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PostSubject: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:10 pm

I have a really great deal on some LTZ leather seats lined up. The fronts I know will line up fine. But will the rear bench? I still need to be able to use the fold down seat. But it looks like the benches are the same and they just have a different mount?
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:58 pm

See the signature pictures below. 94 RMW with 94 RMS seats. The bottom snaps right in and the back has to be brought to an upholsterer. I have detailed instructions on how to do it. What color is your interior?

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:10 pm

Grey. Seats are blue so they'd need to be reupholstered or dyed. But my main concern is that id still be able to use the folding seat in the back.
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:46 pm

PM sent

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:33 pm

silverfox103 wrote:
I have detailed instructions on how to do it.

Are your instructions posted anywhere? I have RMS limited rear set I'm ready to install.
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:35 pm

Hi AZ

I will send later on today.

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:01 pm

Methinks you should do a writeup for it. It looks like an awesome mod.
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:22 pm

I would love to have the instructions as well. Thx
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:44 pm

Old Topic! Ha! Hi Tom! After years or keeping an eye out, I nabbed a perfect rear Sedan seat for my '96 Roady wagon yesterday. I want to take the upper cushion to my interior guy and have it mated to my stock seatback, but would really like GOOD instructions to had to him with the cushions. If you still have the write-up somewhere, it would be much appreciated!

Hope things are going well!

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:59 pm

Sent you a PM.

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:00 pm

Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:27 am

Pick-N-Pull Grand Prairie Texas find last Sunday. Perfect rear Sedan seat for my wagon (thank you previous owner for window tinting, no Texas sunburn!). The seat cleaned up great! Can't wait to do this mod! Also scored snap-in floor mats too! Nice! -Mike





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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:34 am

I found this link on the Impala forum last night: http://www.impalassforum.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=229236

It didn't talk much about how to mount the center fold-down armrest. Looking forward to Tom's write-up on his. I believe he has the exact same seat and setup that I'm about to tackle.

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:36 am

Tom if you have any bigger pics of the seat, front and back, that would be appreciated. I want to take them to my interior guy and say "make this look like this!" Ha!
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:13 pm

Mike-

Since you are going through this mod, hold out til you can get the 95/96 seat back as they had the openable arm rest with pull out cup holders! Your rear seat passengers will appreciate it!

Can you be sure to take lots of pictures and post with details when you do your mod? I want to do this one too.
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:40 pm

Wagoninabox wrote:
Mike-

Since you are going through this mod, hold out til you can get the 95/96 seat back as they had the openable arm rest with pull out cup holders!  Your rear seat passengers will appreciate it!

Can you be sure to take lots of pictures and post with details when you do your mod?  I want to do this one too.

Keep in mind I live in Texas. I've owned this car since 2007, and this is the first time I've found a good rear seat in the right color. They all burn up down here.

I love this new seat. The leather is perfect...and I don't want the kids drinking/spilling in my car anyway! Ha!

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:28 am

Today's additional question while waiting on instructions from Tom... HOW do I get the wagon seatback OUT? I looked last night and am not seeing bolts anywhere near the hinges???

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:46 pm

Instructions will be coming this PM

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:15 pm

silverfox103 wrote:
Instructions will be coming this PM

Tom

Thanks Tom!
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:57 pm

Make sure to share those top secret instructions with the rest of us . Lol
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:22 pm

Theres a spring pin on one end If I remember correctly from 4 years ago….
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:03 am

Seems to be on the passenger side end...
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:52 am

94-96 seat backs realsed on the passenger side. There is a solid pin on drivers side. To release seat back for removal, get a long flat tip screwdriver and jam it down on the pivot pin on the passenger side and push inward toward the seat cushion. The pin is spring loaded and highly tensioned so you must keep downward pressure while also pushing inward. Once the pin is out of the socket quickly lift the seat back from the perch.
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:08 am

Wagoninabox wrote:
94-96 seat backs realsed on the passenger side.  There is a solid pin on drivers side.  To release seat back for removal, get a long flat tip screwdriver and jam it down on the pivot pin on the passenger side and push inward toward the seat cushion.  The pin is spring loaded and highly tensioned so you must keep downward pressure while also pushing inward.  Once the pin is out of the socket quickly lift the seat back from the perch.

EXACTLY!
I had mine out many times when I was sound deadening my wagon.
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:19 pm

Shared with Permission.  Looks like a great mod.   Big thanks to Tom!

Part 1: Removing the seat:

Here's how you do it: The pivot points is where you take it off. On the passenger side (I believe), there is a "male" part that the seat pivots on. What you have to do is, push the seat away from the mount and slip it off of the shaft. When that is done just walk the seat off of the other side. It takes a little effort, but you will have no trouble. I may have the side wrong, but I think I am correct.

Part 2: Dismantling and reassembling:

Unzip the cover for the stock wagon seat, and remove it.  You will not re-use the foam.  You can also separate the leather from the carpeted backing by removing the stitches.  You will be reusing the carpeted back of course.  The plastic shell inside the seat is what we will be working with next.

Now, it's time to fit the new sedan seat onto the plastic shell.  You will be reusing the sedan seat foam and the wire mesh that supports the sedan seat.  I did cut off the feet (where the sedan seat mounted to the seatbelts on the bottom), I may have had to trim in another spot, but it was minor if I did.
Here's what I did next, I secured the mesh to the plastic shell.  I used plastic tie wraps to do that with.  I fitted the seat on the shell, so it fit and looked good.  Each place that I secured, I drilled two holes in the shell and I would loop the tie wraps through the holes and around the wire mesh.  Secure as necessary in as many places as you think.   You may have to trim the wire mesh to fit the seat back / shell better. I can't remember if I did. You will be able to get the "feel" of it and know if it is necessary.

****NOTE:  One important step is to secure the armrest frame on the backside to the shell.  I think I bolted it with 1/4 inch bolts, just bolted it directly to the plastic inner shell, I used decent size fender washers to spread out the stress. Doing that anchors the armrest and the center of the seat.  

The upholsterer may have to cut some of the tie wraps, but that's OK.  You can fix them when he's done by unzipping the back or you can give him a few tie wraps.  You've done the hard part.

To give you an idea of how long it takes, maybe an hour or two.  It's easy.

Part 3: Off to the upholsterer:

What you need to bring:
1. The new seat back
2. The carpeted back from the wagon seat and the old leather seat back (the upholsterer will need to cut two small pieces from it to match and patch on the new seat, one on each side).
3. Some extra tie wraps.

NOTE 1:  Explain to your guy that you need to maintain the pivot point holes!

It should be an easy job for him. I was charged $60 to finish it, I gave her $80 as I felt she didn't charge me enough.

NOTE 2: make sure the pivot thingies are secure.

****As you probably know, the rear seat won't fold down as flat as the stock seat.  But that's OK, you can still carry stuff around.  Eventually, I was able to find another stock seat back.  So, if I had a heavy load, I just swapped seat backs.  Actually, I have probably done that once, maybe.

Good Luck, you're on your own! Ha Ha

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:39 pm

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Wagoninabox wrote:
94-96 seat backs realsed on the passenger side.  There is a solid pin on drivers side.  To release seat back for removal, get a long flat tip screwdriver and jam it down on the pivot pin on the passenger side and push inward toward the seat cushion.  The pin is spring loaded and highly tensioned so you must keep downward pressure while also pushing inward.  Once the pin is out of the socket quickly lift the seat back from the perch.

EXACTLY!
I had mine out many times when I was sound deadening my wagon.  

Question here. Is the passenger-side pivot pin spring-loaded inside the actual seatback, and if so, could you not just stand outside the open driver's side rear door and push the seatback itself from the driver's side toward the passenger side, and slide it off the fixed male pivot rod, and then pull the seatback out the driver's rear door?

I'm trying to picture this in my head, but it sounds like that would be simpler than trying to push that pivot rod into the seatback with a screwdriver from the passenger side.

-Mike

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:40 pm

Mike

I'm not home until April and I don't have either of my wagons with me, so I can't look.  I'm at my winter job wrestling gators. But this I can tell, it's easy.  You'll have it figured out in 2 minutes.

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:43 pm

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Mike

I'm not home until April and I don't have either of my wagons with me, so I can't look.  I'm at my winter job wrestling gators.  But this I can tell, it's easy.  You'll have it figured out in 2 minutes.

Tom

Thank you again, and enjoy your winter!

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:05 pm

Does this modification make it so the sedan seat doesn't law all the way flat like the wagon seat does?
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:08 pm

Mark 96 Roady wrote:
Does this modification make it so the sedan seat doesn't law all the way flat like the wagon seat does?

Per Tom, above:

****As you probably know, the rear seat won't fold down as flat as the stock seat. But that's OK, you can still carry stuff around. Eventually, I was able to find another stock seat back. So, if I had a heavy load, I just swapped seat backs. Actually, I have probably done that once, maybe.
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:51 pm

Mike-

No, you will not be able to simply slide the back over and pull out from drivers side. The spring tensioned pin is indeed on the back itself but must be forced back into the seat back to remove the assembly. You will understand better when you go look at the pin in the socket.
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:03 pm

Yes, just take something like a long flat blade screwdriver and fold the seat forward far enough until you can access the area of the pin. Then you will have to use the screwdriver to pry the spring loaded pin into the seatback a couple inches and then the passenger side will pull free and then the drivers side will just wiggle off the other pin.

Pretty simple once you actually see it. Mine was real easy only because the previous owner told me about the spring pin! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:17 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:57 pm

Have to find a way to save this , it maybe be useful later .
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:19 am

Tom,. it might be a good idea to post your instructions and pics up again,. and then 'sticky' it?
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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:28 am

phantom 309 wrote:
Tom,. it might be a good idea to post your instructions and pics up again,. and then 'sticky' it?


Those are my intentions Nick.

I am down south until the first week of April and the computer that I have that Info is in NH. I could have sworn that I posted that before on the forums, but I can't find it any where.

No luck on finding any of the wheels you need. Been a regular at junkyarding for the past 3 months.


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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:25 am

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phantom 309 wrote:
Tom,. it might be a good idea to post your instructions and pics up again,. and then 'sticky' it?


Those are my intentions Nick.

I am down south until the first week of April and the computer that I have that Info is in NH.  I could have sworn that I posted that before on the forums, but I can't find it any where.

No luck on finding any of the wheels you need.  Been a regular at junkyarding for the past 3 months.


Tom

well,. the 16" ford wheels thats a shame,. i,d settle for a newer set of 17" town car rims,.

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:12 pm

I just did a big update on my Roadmaster Deer-Strike thread in the General section, and am doing the Sedan seat swap as part of the repairs/mods. I posted a lot of pics and what I did/found in that thread if you want to see, here's the link, and the seat mod is down near the bottom: http://gmlongroof.4umer.com/t12279-wagon-travel-and-deer-strike-pics#132069

The seat is at the upholstery shop now getting the carpet from the wagon seatback sewn on, but I posted lots of pics of how it got to that point. Will update once I get it back and get it installed.

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PostSubject: Re: Do Sedan Seats fit in a Wagon?   Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:15 pm

Can you see the difference in Sedan and Wagon seats?

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