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PostSubject: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:43 pm

Had to share this one.   My buddy Rich walked into what MAY be a heck of a deal.   A friend of his mentioned that his mother-in-law has passed, and her car was still in a garage up in Dallas, and has been sitting there for around two years, untouched.   Rich, being a car-guy, asked what it was.. (Rich is who I sold my '89 Custom Cruiser wagon, and my '96 Roady wagon...which thankfully I was later able to get back from him.  He also bought my black '93 S-10 pickup, the brown '79 Electra Limited, and I bought the '88 Cutlass T-top from him...and he gave my son Eddie that '78 Electra wagon project...we do this, REAL car nuts!  Ha!).

ANYWAY his friend in Dallas said the car was a big Buick, and later, a Roadmaster, which of course perked his ears up.   He was somewhat let down when he found out it was a sedan and not a wagon, and that it was a '92, so not a LT1 car.    But he did get interested when he learned the car was a low-mile, 2-owner Dallas car.   The friend send Rich the pics I pasted below, and Rich made his an offer based on the pics alone...which was low, but again, site-unseen and sitting for years.....who knows?  The friend accepted the offer, and the car is being shipped down here today.

The details are what sold it.   It's a two-owner car.   The car only has 77K miles on it, and has been in Dallas since new (built in Arlington, so BORN in Dallas).   The mother-in-law bought it with 30K miles at a Buick dealer in 1997 (trading an '85 Pontiac Parisienne for it).   She drove it the rest of her life, and it's always been garaged, never wrecked, never seen salt or snowflakes.   The car is a 5.7 TBI 350, smooth-top Limited with cloth seats, which is great for a Texas car, no burned vinyl roof, no hot and dry/shrinking leather seats.  Under the dust it's supposed to have great paint, no wrecks, zero rust, again was always garaged.

The pics below are all he had to go on.   Hopefully the car looks good all cleaned-up and comes back to life!   I can see the white printing in the turn signal stalk for the cruise control and wipers still looks bright, which is a good sign for TRUE low-mileage.  Also the horn buttons are still on the wheel..another sign of a car that's led an easy pampered life.









I'm really looking forward to seeing the car in person, and installing the wheels and tinkering with it.  LOVE a project, even when it's a friend's car!

-Texas Mike


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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:34 pm

Nice find!
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:12 am

Ran down to San Marcos to pick up the Impala SS wheels last night. Going to strip the clear off, polish them, and install my custom center-cap decals, and then look for tires this weekend. Will post pics of the car once I see it myself! San Marcos is a beautiful little town and the San Marcos River flows right through the middle of it, and is crystal clear. We stopped at the park below Texas State University and I let my kiddo Tuck, who had tagged along with me, jump in the river...at 10pm! Love our adventures! Ha! Summertime!






Here are the center cap decals I make for these wheels, and a finished wheel.


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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:30 am

Always push them at the flaring end of the horn symbol, they will last a long time. When people push on the outside edges, the button jams, and the guide posts crack, leading to a broken button.
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:43 pm

Fred Kiehl wrote:
Always push them at the flaring end of the horn symbol, they will last a long time. When people push on the outside edges, the button jams, and the guide posts crack, leading to a broken button.

Thanks, I'll mention that to Rich when I give him the Impala wheels for the car. Appreciate the tip!

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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:49 pm

The Roadmaster Sedan arrived.   Looks really good for a car that's been parked in a garage since 2012.   Didn't know it had the ASC sunroof.  
Needs the grey side trim along the beltline (typical) but really nice other than that!




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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:29 pm

are those seats grey?
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:13 pm

You had the choice of light gray, dark maple red, or dark sapphire blue in 92.
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:26 am

Yep, grey!
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:57 pm

7/31/2017 - So I picked up the 1992 Roadmaster Limited Sedan yesterday.   I'm going to refurbish this car, and frankly...I'm debating on how to start this project.

First, I DO like this car.  The GOOD parts are very good.  It's VERY solid, totally original and untouched.  A Dallas car since new, always garaged, zero salt ever, no vinyl top, grey cloth Limited interior, and a dealer-installed ASC power sunroof.   The paint needs to be waxed, but should come back to life, and it has sharp painted grey and maroon pinstripes, the original Royal Seal tire is still in the trunk, the C-pillar opera lights work, the trunk pull-down works, the keyless-entry works, and the interior is nearly perfect, other than needing some cleaning and a headliner.   The dash and door panels are beautiful,  the seats are nice, the carpet is not stained, and its not been smoked in.   Door panels are still tight when you close the doors.  No rattles at all.

SO again quick recap on the history.   2-owner car, previous owner had the car for years, and passed away.  The car hit 81K miles on the trip home yesterday.  I think it sat totally unused in the owner's garage that last 3-4 years (it was last registered and inspected in 2012).

My friend Richard got the car about a month ago, put a battery in it, changed the oil and fuel pump, and possibly a tune-up (need to ask about what all was done).   He put a couple cans of 134A in it and the a/c came on, but the compressor is rattling and leaking.  The LO5 350 motor is quiet and smooth,  and transmission shifts fine, and the car itself is still "tight" like it should be at only 80K miles.  

I picked the car up in Marble Falls Texas yesterday, which is in the Texas hill country about an hour from my home in Austin.  Let me try to describe the 60-mile ride home...

First, I sit down in the car, and notice the headliner is falling, especially on the sunroof shade, so I reach up to slide the sunroof shade back so the headliner will not be touching my head, and the headliner on the shade rips and falls off onto me as soon as I slide it, and covers me, the front seats , the cupholders, and front carpet,  in black, dried out/powdered headliner foam dust/chunks.   Wonderful.   I get out, beat the dust out of my hair, pick it out of my ears, off my clothes, pull off the remaining headliner material, which is hanging by one thread front the shade, and throw the headliner out on the ground beside the car, and then grab a towel and knock as much black foam dust off the nice-looking cloth seats and carpet as possible.   Yuck.

Next I get back into the car, and start it.   It starts right up and sounds really good, but when I hit the AUTO button on the climate control, the compressor comes on...grrrrrrrrr...rattling loudly.   Blowing cold though, but not long for this world.

I turn on the stock, base-level cassette radio (and later find a Frank Sinatra cassette in the car, which FITS this car well), and the rear-mounted antenna goes right up, but there is no sound.  


I turn up the volume, and learn that only one speaker works, in the driver's door, and it's almost totally blown, all tinny and high, and you have to turn the stereo up almost all the way just to hear it.   Holy Cow.   Horrible.  I turn it off and listen to YouTube on my phone for the rest of the drive home.

I begin to press buttons, and learn that only the power window on the right-front door works.   The driver's side windows, front and back, do nothing at all, the rear passenger side starts to go down, but will only go back up 3/4 way and then jams.   WOW.  I have my son push the button and after a few tries with me pulling on the glass I get that window back up....   I do not touch the sunroof, which is closed, for fear of it jamming open if it does in fact, still work.   I still have not touched the sunroof...but the buttons for it on the headliner ARE lit up, so at least it should have power to it. ...

I then look around at the pretty Limited-level cloth seats, which have controls on the doors and the sides of the seats too.   I press the various buttons and the seats move up and down, recliner works, air bladders hum, but when I go to move the driver's seat back it moves about an inch, and that's it.    It's sticking on the forward and back.   The passenger side seat all works.  

So in the span of five minutes, I know the car needs an a/c compressor, has issues with the driver's seat, three power windows are goofy, the speakers are bad and the headliner is shot.   Not a really great start.

I sit down in the driver's seat, which is INCREDIBLY comfortable, and look around.   Again other than the headliner, the interior is beautiful.    I close the door and marvel at how tight it is, no panel rattles.   The shifter has no play, the grey leather on the steering wheel is nearly perfect, and all the dash gauges all work.   The chrome on the dash still shines, wood is pretty too....again, it's a low-mile, garaged car, and I'm shocked over what doesn't work in comparison to how NICE it all looks and feels in there.

I drop the car in DRIVE and pull out.   It feels very smooth, but also heavy and VERY soft.   As I pull out through the parking lot, which is bumpy and potholed, the car bounds around a lot more than my Roady wagon does, the shocks, I'm sure, are original, and need to be done.    The next issue is power...this car....is not fast.   I'm comparing in to my LT1-powered, tow-pack-equipped Roady wagon, and this TBI 350 is..not quick.   I had that 92 Olds Custom Cruiser with this same TBI 350 motor, and it was much faster, but it was a tow-pack car too, so I'm sure this sedan just has very tall highway gears in the rear.  The gearing HAS to be the issue, because the car seems to run fine.   The brakes are firm and don't stutter, and there are not idiots lights on.  It's just heavy, and slow.

I accelerate onto the highway, and soon I find the biggest issue, the tires...they're square..I mean totally out-of-round.   I'd looked at the tires before leaving, knowing they were older and nearly flat when the car was pulled out of storage.  They're Goodyear Viva white-walls, no horrible dry-rot to be seen, and with TONS of tread, but at about 45mph, this car, and especially the steering wheel, begins to shake.   It gets steadily worse at 50-65, and then begins to smooth out at around 70.   I do stop and look to see if there is a bubble in the tires or something, or if a wheel is loose, but no, nothing seems wrong, until you ACTUALLY drive the car at speed.

The drive back to Austin is through the Texas Hill Country, and it's down Hwy 1431, which is all hills, fast and sharp turns, switchbacks, and long sweepers.   It's a great road, with fantastic views, and AWESOMELY fun in a quick car or on a motorcycle (it's even fun in my LT1 Roady wagon to blast around, but again the Roady has KYB's at all four corners and the thumping LT1 undef the hood).  In this Sedan, Hey 1431 was NO FUN at all, sadly.    The road speeds are at 45-65, exactly where the car is shaking the worst, and between the shaking, the worn-out shocks, massive body lean in turns, and the distinct lack of power to climb up the hills, I was exhausted, stressed, and seasick by the time I got back close to Austin.   Beyond that, after about 30-mins of driving in the hills, and the heat (it was around 100-degrees outside), I noticed the temp gauge moved beyond the halfway point and leaned over toward the red, but never quite got there, adding to my stress of a possible issue.

In Austin I left the hill country behind, so the road leveled-out and I was able to set the Cruise Control and drive at around 70mph, which smoothed things out somewhat, and the temp gauge slowly swung back over to below-halfway at that steady-speed.   But even at 70, the car feels underpowered, and I still think the gearing is just way too high.   This car BADLY needs a rear-axle swap from a tow-pack car.  





I DID make it home safely, with no breakdowns or blowouts, but was less-than-thrilled with this vehicle.   The Twilight Sentinel kicked the headlights on just as I was getting to the house, and I noted that one of the backlight bulbs behind the tachometer is burned out.   Adding that to the fix-it list.  As I pulled off the highway I noted that the a/c compressor was cycling as well, so I'm guessing it's got a pretty good leak...

On getting home, I parked in my side-yard and really looked the car over.   It needs to be detailed under the hood, but is  totally corrosion-free.   The exterior paint will shine up, but I need to locate new rub-strips for the side trim, typical, they are all missing.   The trunk pull-down still works, and again even the opera lights work.  It should clean up really well, and it really will be pretty....and should be a great car, if I can peel the "lemon rind" of issues off this clean and low-mile vehicle.    I can't believe it has so many goofy issues, considering the actual condition and miles on this car!  I have to remind myself that it IS a 25-year-old vehicle...  I know I need to lighten-up!










The purists will cry, but the first mod, after giving the car a REALLY GOOD cleaning and detailing, will be to install Impala SS 17-inch wheels with my custom Roadmaster Buick tri-shield center caps.  The wheels are already in the garage, I just have to find good tires for them.  





I think the white car, with the tinted windows it already has, and no vinyl top, will look great with the Impala wheels mounted on it.      Will of course save the original steel wheels and wire-hubcaps for a future owner (I hate rattly and hard-tp-clean wire wheel hubcaps...).

Will plan to install some new shocks while it's in the air, and will look at brakes and check the front bearings and steering for issues while the wheels are off, and lube everything well.    New tires and shocks should totally transform how this car drives (I hope!).

Next-up, I plan to get the a/c fixed, and will possibly flush the cooling system and replace the thermostat...that running hot issue is a little worrisome.   Will check the fan clutch too, and clean and detail underhood.

Beyond that, I'm planning to get the headliner redone, and will lubricate the sunroof well and see that it all works while the headliner is out.   Will need to install new speakers, lubricate the power seat track to hopefully bring it back to life, replace that burned-out dash gauge bulb, and the big job of sorting out the power window issues.   I'm great at replacing the window sliders on these cars, but it's odd that the driver's-side windows seem to be totally dead, they do nothing.  We'll see if I can figure out what's up....

Will post updates as I sort it out and put this car back together.  




Such Fun!

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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:25 pm

Mike:

Is the AC compressor rattling or is it hammering?? You had said that someone had added a couple of cans of 134. If the older systems are over charged, the compressor will hammer (sounds like an engine knock). Try venting off a bit of the Freon first to see if it improves. Might be all it needs.

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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:54 pm

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Mike:

Is the AC compressor rattling or is it hammering??  You had said that someone had added a couple of cans of 134.  If the older systems are over charged, the compressor will hammer (sounds like an engine knock).  Try venting off a bit of the Freon first to see if it improves.  Might be all it needs.

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Thanks but it's slinging from the front seal. Was low and cycling when I got it home last night. Compressor time. Projects!
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:14 am

This has the makings of a great soap opera.
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:26 pm

Will the fat lady sing?
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:29 pm

We'll see!
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:20 pm

About to dive into this project. Been making a LONG list of parts to order and things to do. It will be NICE and totally sorted out when it leaves my driveway.

On as happy note, the dealer-installed ASC power moonroof works, and perfectly, even the auto-open feature. It's big, I've never seen one in a Roadmaster (but have seen them in Impala SS's), and I totally love it.

Nothing on this car scares me too much...except the power windows. I've done rollers/sliders before, and DID replace the front motor on my 92 Custom Cruiser wagon, but both driver's side windows on this sedan are totally up, and do not move. I'm hoping when I remove the door panels and tap on the motors, that maybe they wake up again.... This was a lady-owned, garaged Texas car, but she stopped driving in 2012, so I think a lot of the car is just...frozen, from sitting.

We'll see!

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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:35 pm

Even if the windows need motors, it is not that big of a job. The sliders may be stick in the old grease.
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:40 pm

Motors are easy. Once you open it up you'll kick yourself for ever worrying about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:56 pm

Video of the dealer-installed power moonroof.
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:14 pm

This car has a dealer-installed power sunroof.  Cool Feature!  Headliner buttons for the ASC power sunroof. The ASC button lights up red when auto-close and auto-open are turned off. Green when feature is on.

It has a sliding sunshade, and the sunroof drops down to open, or pops-up to vent.  







ASC sunroof tag inside glove box. Also wire-wheel hubcap tool, along with ASC paperwork tucked in the original owner's manual.








Works perfect, but the headliner material is missing from the shade, and the headliner in the car itself is falling.   Will be sent to my interior guy in the next few weeks to have it all redone.


I still have to clean and buff the paint, and clean under the hood.  The car was used as a storage shelf in the garage for years, and has rub marks and light scratches all over it.   I'm hoping I can make it beautiful again.


I don't think the underhood was ever cleaned.


Who knows when the car was last waxed, but I did give it a good bath, and installed the new Antique plate.    




Amazing that something from 1992 is considered an antique now!   Yikes!

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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:18 pm

Took the Roady Sedan to the Stone Hill weekly Saturday-night cruise-in, Pflugerville Texas. Still a lot of work to do, but figured we'd take the Sedan out and show it off a bit. It got a lot of good comments, and looked great next to the classic black Buick Eight next to it!







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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:32 pm

Sunday 8/6/17 work. FIRST, when picked-up, only the right/front power window was working. Now I have both rears working too. Still need to fix the driver's-side front..needs a motor, on order from Rock Auto. The rest have roller/slider issues...common. I do like how the Sedan rear door glass goes all the way down into the doors when open. The Wagon rear door glass only goes down halfway.


Next, I worked on radio repairs. When picked up, only the speaker in the driver's front door worked, and it sounded terrible. Went an bought all-new speakers to go in the stock locations.


Have to completely remove the rear seat to do the deck 6x9 speakers. DUMB design, and worse, I learned this after emptying out the trunk, including the spare! On boxy B-body sedans, you can change speakers in the trunk in no time. Not on round-bodies! They mount from inside the car! Doh! Have to remove all this to get to the rear speakers. Yikes. Notice in top picture I had to re-glue some of the attachment clips, being held together here with clamps.




Found that the rear-mounted antenna wire was crushed under the seat frame...my guess is from the factory when brand new. Amazed this car has any radio reception! Look how crushed this wire is!



Found under the rear seat in the 92 Roadmaster Sedan. Don't you wish you could find a pink Kazoo too?



Old stock speakers, about to remove them.


New Sony 4-way, 800-watt 6x9 speakers installed. Also notice the HUGE 3rd brake light that contains three bulbs. Had to replace one bulb while this was apart. All fixed now.



New Sony rear speakers installed and everything back together. You'd never know it had been apart.


Once I got the back speakers installed, I went to try them and found out the original radio had a bad right channel, will only play out the left speakers. This Buick Riviera radio was donated to the cause by a good local car buddy. It's a step-up from what the sedan originally had, but still correct for the car, to retain the stock look, and will play the Frank Sinatra cassette that was in the car just fine!


Hopefully I can get the radio installed after work tonight, and will be replacing one burned out light in the dash cluster behind the tachometer at the same time. Then later in the week will do the rest of the power window repairs and replace the front door speakers. PROJECTS!

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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:57 pm

Same on my daily driver '00 Century. Seat comes out, package shelf comes up, speakers install.

My LS400 does that much smarter. There's covers on the package shelf for each speaker you pop out to install. Why doesn't everybody do that? lol
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:43 pm

Looking good so far. Nice to see a TBI car getting some love.

That sunroof is too cool. Would like to put one in my wagon.
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:08 pm

You should consider getting all LED lights for the cluster. 74 are the small ones http://www.ebay.com/itm/20Pcs-T5-PC74-Holder-Instrument-Cluster-White-shifter-indicator-Led-Light-Bulb/131755157792?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649, and T10/194 is the large ones http://www.ebay.com/itm/10x-White-T10-194-LED-Bulbs-for-Instrument-Gauge-Cluster-Dash-Light-W-Sockets/401364299700?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

Those are white, and you can get other colors.
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:52 am

Fred Kiehl wrote:
You should consider getting all LED lights for the cluster. 74 are the small ones http://www.ebay.com/itm/20Pcs-T5-PC74-Holder-Instrument-Cluster-White-shifter-indicator-Led-Light-Bulb/131755157792?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649, and T10/194 is the large ones http://www.ebay.com/itm/10x-White-T10-194-LED-Bulbs-for-Instrument-Gauge-Cluster-Dash-Light-W-Sockets/401364299700?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

Those are white, and you can get other colors.

Well I tackled this job last night, and raided my parts-stash to for bulbs. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:14 am

Took the dash apart yesterday evening to install new/used Delco radio, and also replace burned-out bulb in instrument cluster behind tach. Can you believe I had a TBI Roadmaster gauge cluster in my attic parts stash? Me either...I've never owned a TBI Roadmaster, yet there it was. Stole needed bulbs from it. Ha!  Dash is nice and bright now!





Got the radio in and it works fine.   I still have to replace the door speakers, but the new rear Sony speakers sound good.   Pardon the sound on my cell phone video...in person it sounds a lot better.
Radio Working - Radio Video





My '96 Roady Wagon kept watch over me as I worked on the '92 Roady sedan.  


It's fun to compare the vehicles.    It really is amazing how DIFFERENT two similar vehicles can feel.   From the sound of the motors starting and running, to the way the doors close, to the feel of the seats and the view of the dash and over the hood, to the way they ride and handle, these vehicles feel TOTALLY different.  

The Sedan is very soft (Dynaride!), and very slow with the tall highway gears, but very smooth, and the cloth Limited seats make me want to take a nap, you sink into them and they curve around you.  You can see more of the hood from the driver's seat in the Sedan, which makes it feel more...stately.  

The wagon, with leather seats, is easier to slide in and out of, and the wagon handles much better (Gran Touring Suspension, Tow Pack and KYB Bas-A-Just shocks), is MUCH faster (LT1 baby!), and feels much lighter on it's feet than the sedan.  The handling is firmer, and it just feels...much newer.   The wagon actually feels smaller too...maybe due to that sloping hood.    


They are both VERY nice vehicles, and it's fun to compare them.   Oh, I hate, hate, HATE the wire wheel hubcaps on the sedan.   Hard to clean, and they rattle and creak driving down the road.   Can't wait to put the Impala wheels on the sedan!

Next up for the sedan is power window work and new front door speakers.   The new window motor for the driver's-front door should be in today or tomorrow...fun job there.    I also ran all over town this weekend getting Dorman/Help window sliders, #74444, which are getting harder to find.   Seemed like every parts store had one in stock, and I needed six, so ran all over Austin.    Projects!

Having fun!  Take Care All!


-Texas Mike
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:55 pm

It is fun to compare the Roadmaster noses. The sedan is much taller when you walk in front of it than the wagon. My son HATES the way the sedan looks, says it's frowning, ha!
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:06 pm

Window motors are painfully easy on these cars. Thread on ISSF makes them seem like a huge and dangerous undertaking, lol. They are anything but. Did all of them in my current wagon in an afternoon.

Should have bought the rollers from RA when you got the motors. Much, much cheaper and less wasted gas than searching all over town Wink None of my stores keep them in stock.
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:49 pm

I like it, the Rivera radio really does look nice. I'm glad a PO swapped in a Buick radio in my Olds, looks better than the base cassette, and sounds better too.
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:01 pm

94Woody wrote:
Window motors are painfully easy on these cars.  Thread on ISSF makes them seem like a huge and dangerous undertaking, lol. They are anything but. Did all of them in my current wagon in an afternoon.

Should have bought the rollers from RA when you got the motors. Much, much cheaper and less wasted gas than searching all over town Wink None of my stores keep them in stock.

This. All of this.
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:11 am

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8/9/2017 - Window roller time.  Passenger-side first.


Well there's your problem! I HATE those factory sliders! Broken right in half!


Must-Have pliers to remove old factory sliders. Use the diagonal pliers to snip the broken sliders in half, then yank the pieces out with some long-nose pliers.



New Dorman HELP roller/sliders. THE permanent fix for B-Body whales and round-body cars.


I use my bench grinder to sand the thickness of the new slider nearly in half. This allows the slider to be easily installed into the track rail, and to move totally free with no friction when using power windows.



After installing the slider in the rail, line the ball pivot on the regulator up with the slider, and use a small clamp to force the ball into the slider.


It WORKS.


Apply white lithium grease to the rails, regulator pivot points, door latch and lock, and anything else that MOVES inside the doors while you have the chance. Run the window up and down a few times and then add more grease. Work the locks, door handles and such as well. Everything should move freely.


Back together, and used some duct tape to re-attach the plastic protector.


I also always replace the Christmas Tree clips. Bag is about $6 at Napa and worth it! No rattles allowed!  New Napa Christmas-tree clips. These flex, unlike the brittle ones Autozone sells. The Napa ones are just like factory ones.



Passenger rear door back together and working perfectly!

Front passenger door next.   Same steps as above, plus added new 4-way speakers.




FIXED!


Next-up, driver's-side doors.   Wheee!

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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:12 pm

8/11/17 - Backed into the garage for driver's-side door window repairs and speakers, and shocks, and oil change.


About to remove door panel.


Tools for the repair.



Driver's door has the most wiring mess. Need to be really careful too, all the plastics are brittle, want ZERO rattles.



Panel carefully removed. These panels are more stout than the 94-96 panels, but they can crack. Got to be careful.


Inner panel with stuck window and blown speaker


Back together!
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:19 pm

Power seats are sticky, did not want to move forward and back with a person seated in the car.  I unbolted and lubricated all the mechanisms really well.   Works perfect now!   Did both front seats, using white lithium grease on all adjusters and pivot-points.




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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:29 pm

8/11/17 - Time for shocks and the oil change. Got my son Eddie to jump in with this work. His first shock job.


I personally like KYB Gas-A-Justs, but the Excel-G are good too, just softer. We're trying to keep that "DYNARIDE" smoothness, but just without the extreme float. These will do that.


It's a real shame these tires are so flat-spotted and old. They have great tread, and are Goodyears, but the car sat on them for years. Thump-Thump-Thump...


Eddie Massey doing his first shocks. Proud of my smart kiddo!



Removing the oil FROM 2012! Yikes! It was still not black...that's something... Car will be MUCH happier now!


Nighttime Engine Degreasing and Detail. Because it's August in Texas and this is the coolest time of the day! LO5 5.7 TBI 350. Outstanding motor, will run FOREVER!




This is the THREE-BODY mafia trunk.
Cleaned-out the trunk, aired up the original Uniroyal Gold Seal spare tire, mounted the jack and hardware correctly and installed the tire cover and storage net. Also lubricated the trunk auto-latch pull-down assembly. Everything looks new!



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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:39 pm

8/13/2017 - Ran all over Central Texas looking for a reverse-light pigtail assembly. The one on the '92 Sedan was torn and socket cracked (my guess was in shipping). Finally found this 1993 Roadmaster parts car at Austin Wrench-A-Part with 190k miles on it. Got the needed reverse-light wiring pigtail off this car....was HOT! Said 104-degrees in the parking lot. WHOO!!!



8/14/17 - Reverse lights fixed, all bulbs on entire car now working.


Next repairs are the a/c system and headliner replacement. Will keep the updates coming!

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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:17 pm

8/15/2017 - Got home from work to find these waiting for me.  235/55/17 Falkens




This morning, 8/16/17 - Rolling the new tires and wheels in for Mr. Serna to mount and balance.


New tire on left, old still mounted on right. Those old junk Kumho tires were super wide!


New tires mounted. Back-balancing so no weights on the front, looks better.


Another load of joy! New tires mounted on refinished wheels, Buick center caps installed. Will mount on the car soon!



Looking forward to seeing how much different the car looks with these installed.  It's always amazing to me how much wheels and tires change the look of the car.

Oh and as for size, the 235/55/17 is not as low and wide as what the Impala SS cars got, but I've had issues with groove-following/road-walking with wide tires on the wagons, and moved to these some years back, and these ride smooth and there is no steering wheel pull.    Also there is almost no change in the speedometer reading with this, and I've checked with my GPS.

These are Falken Ohtsu FP7000 tires can be bought for $280 on Ebay.   I guess we'll see how they ride and how quiet they are, but at that price these are about the same price I was paying for used Pirelli PZero Nero tires....which sadly have not been showing up used like they were when this was the  Crown Vic and V6 Mustang go-to size.

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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:27 pm

8/16/17 - A/C fixed on the 92 Roady sedan. New Delco compressor, accumulator and orifice tube, system flushed, new O-rings and oil. Running quiet and blowing COLD. Coming Along!




Last Roadmaster Sedan update for a week or so. Dropped the car off with my interior guy for the headliner job. He was NOT happy when he saw the aftermarket ASC power sunroof. Says these headliners are a nightmare to replace...but it's falling in the back and totally fallen-off the sliding sunshade, so it's GOT to be done.. He said he'll have it at least a week. Oh well...




Will post next update in a week or so!

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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:42 am

Looking good. Im with you,wheels and tires,make or break the ride. Always changes the attitude of the ride.
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PostSubject: Re: Such a Deal!?!?!? "Garage Find" '92 Roadmaster Sedan   Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:08 pm

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Looking good. Im with you,wheels and tires,make or break the ride. Always changes the attitude of the ride.

If the car had the factory aluminum wheels I would have just been hunting for tires, but the wire wheel hubcaps creak and rattle going down the road, and are a pain to clean anyway. I've always hated them.  I would have really liked to have found some chrome 15-inch Buick Road Wheels, since those look GREAT on these cars, but the Impala SS wheels showed up locally, so there we go.

Update pics next week!

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