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PostSubject: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:14 pm

Evenin' folks. This seemed like a simple question asked of me by my step-Dad, but I wasn't sure of exactly all that the towing package consisted of on the LT1 wagons. I looked at brochures I have for '95 and '96 Caprices, and all it says under options is "Trailering Package: Requires other options -see your dealer for details" Well, I'm at least 15 years too late. Here's what I [think I] know that the tow pack includes:
  • Mechanical fan
  • 2.93 gears with Positraction LSD
  • According to Wikipedia, it could come with air shocks.


Now I know it doesn't come with a hitch or wiring, but is there anything else?
And as I understand it, the radiator, trans and oil cooling, are all the same as on a non-tow pack car?
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:58 pm

I do believe the Tow Pack cars come with oil coolers, whereas the non-tow-pack cars do not.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:42 pm

Not to go off topic, but do I have the tow pack? Is there a specific RPO code for it? I have the mech fan (then again, all TBI cars did...) 3:23's with a posi, and air shocks
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:55 pm

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Not to go off topic, but do I have the tow pack? Is there a specific RPO code for it? I have the mech fan (then again, all TBI cars did...) 3:23's with a posi, and air shocks
You might. I think the code for the tow pack (at least on the TBI cars) is V92. My OCC has it.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:57 pm

If you have 3.23 gears - you have the TBI tow package.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:00 pm

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If you have 3.23 gears - you have the TBI tow package.

Well, going by Compnine I dont have the V92 code but all the tow pack goodies

http://www.compnine.com/vid.php?vin=1G1BL8376PW129643
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:03 pm

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I do believe the Tow Pack cars come with oil coolers, whereas the non-tow-pack cars do not.
That's only with the TBI cars I think, however I'm pretty sure all LT1 cars have the oil cooler standard.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:07 pm

I found out that the G80 (posi) is optional on tow pack cars although most of them have it.

2.93 gears, mech fan, TRANSMISSION cooler up front. the oil cooler is built into the radiator and different than the 9C1 coooler that sits oppisite the trans cooler.

dunno if level ride was part of the tow pack or not.


I want my next wagon to have the Rally Fun Pack, lol.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:08 pm

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Stingroo wrote:
I do believe the Tow Pack cars come with oil coolers, whereas the non-tow-pack cars do not.
That's only with the TBI cars I think, however I'm pretty sure all LT1 cars have the oil cooler standard.

No they don't. I just removed my oil cooler from my RMW with a non oil cooler oil filter adapter Brokecello scored at a boneyard. IT's a LT1 filter adapter with no lines Smile

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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:30 pm

Sprocket, as far as the wagons, looks like your right, the trans cooler and oil cooler was on most wagons, but not all. Compnine shows a few hundred each year lacking them. My base as hell Caprice has both, so I guess it's just uncommon to not have them. I had thought they were standard, and maybe they were but could be removed for credit?
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:08 am

Sprocket wrote:
I found out that the G80 (posi) is optional on tow pack cars although most of them have it.
True, my tow pack wagon did not have the G80 option, we had to add it.

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2.93 gears, mech fan, TRANSMISSION cooler up front. The oil cooler is built into the radiator and different than the 9C1 cooler that sits opposite the trans cooler. Dunno if level ride was part of the tow pack or not.
I believe everything you listed, including the automatic leveling system applies to LT1 era cars with the towing package.

There's more.

As was outlined in the July 2000 issue of GM High-Tech Performance:

According to one of the platform specialists, engineering had developed a grand touring suspension (see Y56 Lesabre - Park Avenue - Regal) but for whatever reasons, the option was not going to be offered. So they slid the package past management anyway by calling it the V92 towing package. It includes, but is not limited to:

Heavy duty shocks - Stiffer springs - Higher durometer bushings - larger swaybars - and most interesting - alloy wheels.

The last two are kind of intriguing, in that AFAIK '91-'96 wagons never came with rear bars, so that would imply that the fronts are larger, and the rears would be either present or larger on the sedans.

The '96 (at least) wagons had alloy wheels standard, whereas the sedans did not. So if that much of the description is true, then by rights there should not be a - LT1 anyway - Roadmaster with V92 and steel wheels that are not called out on the Monroney specifically as an option alternate/delete.

So if you were wondering why I insist that one of the requirements for a wagon is it must have V92, now you know.

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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:48 am

JaySS, thanks for your info. I knew there must be something else in the in the "towing package" especially when I found that it didn't necessarily mean it included air shocks, or a posi. My friend has a '95 RMW with V92, and I guess that's why it has a "Grand Touring" plaque on the dashboard instead of the usual "Dynaride" plaque. So I guess if I were looking for a wagon to do towing close to that 5k lbs limit it would make more sense to get a factory V92 wagon, not so much for the fan and coolers, but so I have that beefed up suspension, rather then to just get a regular wagon with a posi and add on a whole bunch of stuff to allow it to handle that 5k lbs...
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:08 am

JaySS wrote:
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Heavy duty shocks - Stiffer springs - Higher durometer bushings - larger swaybars - and most interesting - alloy wheels.

The last two are kind of intriguing, in that AFAIK '91-'96 wagons never came with rear bars, so that would imply that the fronts are larger, and the rears would be either present or larger on the sedans.

The '96 (at least) wagons had alloy wheels standard, whereas the sedans did not. So if that much of the description is true, then by rights there should not be a - LT1 anyway - Roadmaster with V92 and steel wheels that are not called out on the Monroney specifically as an option alternate/delete.

So if you were wondering why I insist that one of the requirements for a wagon is it must have V92, now you know.

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Kinda sorta. Roadmasters had alloys (though you could get steel with wire wheel covers) but to my knowledge there were no Caprice wagons with factory alloys.

I'll try to dig up my brochures and see but I think (as far as wagons go) the tow pack was -
Mech fan (heavy duty cooling, code V08)
Trans cooler
Possibly different springs (F40 = heavy duty suspension but that may have been standard)
2.93 rear with Limited slip (G80) being an option on top of that

I THINK air shocks were separate from the tow pack. Optional on Chevy (and Olds), standard (but deletable) on Buick. Gotta consult my sales stuff on that too though.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:40 am

DBeaSSt, yeah I guess I sort of forgot about the Caprice wagons. I just looked at my '95 and '96 Caprice brochure, and sure enough, factory alloys were not an option for the wagon; only the sedan could have them. I also looked at the SPID on on my base as heck '94 Caprice wagon and it does have the F40 RPO, so I checked Compnine, and it shows that all Caprice (and Roadmaster) wagons had that. So I guess the Caprice wagon's tow pack features would be the same as the RMW, minus the alloys...
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:26 am

DBeaSSt wrote:
Kinda sorta. Roadmasters had alloys (though you could get steel with wire wheel covers) but to my knowledge there were no Caprice wagons with factory alloys.

Agreed, everything I've seen indicates that alloy wheels were never available on (again, LT1 anyway) Chevrolet wagons.

This will start to get muddy if we combine all B-cars with tow pack. It's probably necessary to note that the listed components in the GMHTP editorial applies to LT1 V92 Roadmasters only.

If we could determine what option package / components resulted in cars receiving the Touring Suspension plaque over the regular Dynaride applique, that would provide another clue. If they were V92 only, it would go a long way towards proving what has been previously stated.

DBeaSSt wrote:
I'll try to dig up my brochures and see but I think (as far as wagons go) the tow pack was -
Mech fan (heavy duty cooling, code V08)
Trans cooler
Possibly different springs (F40 = heavy duty suspension but that may have been standard)
2.93 rear with Limited slip (G80) being an option on top of that

I THINK air shocks were separate from the tow pack. Optional on Chevy (and Olds), standard (but deletable) on Buick. Gotta consult my sales stuff on that too though.

Don't forget the radiator mounted engine oil cooler.

To clarify further, air shocks were likely included with V92 as both my '96 Caprice & '96 RMW tow pack had them, but they may have been available separately on non-tow pack vehicles.

I don't believe you will find a V92 car without them. The extent of rear overhang combined with the the addtional tongue weight probably demanded it to ensure proper breakover angles.

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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:44 am

I pulled this from Edmunds a couple of years ago.
Auto level was part of the tow pack for the 1996 RMW. It looks like the Sungate windshield was too.
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1996 Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagon Packages & Options
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1996 Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagon Packages

1SD LUXURY PKG - $613
Carpet floor mats; Passenger and driver power heated door mirrors; Seat; Automatic operation rear view mirror; Power antenna

1SE PRESTIGE PKG - $1,290
Headlight control with dusk sensor; Driver and passenger illuminated vanity mirror; Seat; Cornering lights/curb illumination; Includes: [1SD] LUXURY PKG And [AU4] DOOR LOCKS-AUTO PROGRAM. And [AU0] Remote Keyless Entry

V03 Cooling Package -
Excludes: [V92] Gran Touring/Trailer Towing Package

V92 Gran Touring/Trailer Towing Package -
2.930:1 axle ratio; Auxiliary transmission cooler; Heavy duty alternate suspension; Heat reflective glass; Excludes: [V03] Cooling Package; Includes: [G67] Suspension - Auto. Level

Z27 LIMITED WAGON PKG - $1,870
Front seats cup holders; Seat; Automatic operation rear view mirror; Head restraints on front seats with rotational adjustment; Carpet floor mats; Passenger and driver power heated door mirrors; Driver and passenger illuminated vanity mirror; Headlight control with dusk sensor; Leather covered steering wheel; Cornering lights/curb illumination; Excludes:
[1SD] LUXURY PKG And [1SE] PRESTIGE PKG; Includes: [AU0] Remote Keyless Entry And [AU4] DOOR LOCKS-AUTO PROGRAM.

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1996 Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagon Options

**2 Leather 55/45 Seats - $775
Leather seat upholstery with additional vinyl; Leather covered steering wheel; Requires: [1SD] LUXURY PKG; Or [1SE] PRESTIGE PKG

**2 Limited Leather 55/45 Seats - $685
Leather seat upholstery with additional vinyl; Excludes: [1SE] PRESTIGE PKG And [1SD] LUXURY PKG; Requires: [Z27] LIMITED WAGON PKG

6Y2 DELETE THIRD SEAT - ($215)

AG3 MEM/HTD LH, HTD RH SEATS - $395
Memorized adjustment on door mirror position; Seat; Requires: [Z27] LIMITED WAGON PKG

AU0 Remote Keyless Entry - $135
Remote power locks includes trunk/hatch; Requires: [AU4] DOOR LOCKS-AUTO PROGRAM.

AU4 DOOR LOCKS-AUTO PROGRAM. - $25
Requires: [1SD] LUXURY PKG And [AU0] Remote Keyless Entry

G67 Suspension - Auto. Level - $100
Automatic suspension levelling; Requires: [1SD] LUXURY PKG; Or [1SE] PRESTIGE PKG; Or [Z27] LIMITED WAGON PKG

G80 Limited slip differential - $100
Limited slip differential; Requires: [1SD] LUXURY PKG; Or [1SE] PRESTIGE PKG; Or [Z27] LIMITED WAGON PKG And [V92] Gran Touring/Trailer Towing Package

K05 Engine Block Heater - $18
Block heater

N81 Tire - Full Size Spare - $125
Fullsize spare wheel; New Price 175.00: Requires: [P42] Tire - Self Sealing; New Price 75.00: Requires: [N91] LOCKING WIRE WHEEL COVERS

N91 LOCKING WIRE WHEEL COVERS - $150
Front and rear wheels

NG1 NY Emission - $0
Emission control level NY

NG1 MA Emission - $0
Emission control level Massachusetts

P42 Tire - Self Sealing - $150
Front and rear wheels

VK3 License Plate Mounting Pkg. - $0
Licence plate bracket

WB4 WOODGRAIN DELETE - $0

YF5 California Emissions - $0
Emission control level California

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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:00 pm

My 94 LDM has V92 with a non-posi and a Dynaride plaque. The 95 has V92 with G80 and a Gran Touring suspension plaque.

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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:47 pm

Nick Danger wrote:
I pulled this from Edmunds a couple of years ago. Auto level was part of the tow pack for the 1996 RMW. It looks like the Sungate windshield was too.

Thank you for posting Nick - hadn't seen this information before now. The '96 full line book isn't nearly as descriptive.

Nick Danger wrote:

V92 Gran Touring/Trailer Towing Package -
2.930:1 axle ratio; Auxiliary transmission cooler; Heavy duty alternate suspension; Heat reflective glass; Excludes: [V03] Cooling Package; Includes: [G67] Suspension - Auto. Level

Now I am curious - my '96 RMW V92 doesn't have the Sungate windshield - but my '96 Caprice V92 did - I just assumed it wasn't ordered with it. I'll need to run the car on Compnine and check the glass date codes to see if it has been replaced.

Note that there is no option code listed for the Sungate windshield by itself and there are too many Sungate equipped RMW's to dismiss this one off hand. Comments?

Also notice that V92 is specially referenced as Gran Touring/Trailer Towing Package - again never saw that before.

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G67 Suspension - Auto. Level - $100
Automatic suspension levelling; Requires: [1SD] LUXURY PKG; Or [1SE] PRESTIGE PKG; Or [Z27] LIMITED WAGON PKG

That would appear to answer those non-tow-pack leveling system availability questions.

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G80 Limited slip differential - $100
Limited slip differential; Requires: [1SD] LUXURY PKG; Or [1SE] PRESTIGE PKG; Or [Z27] LIMITED WAGON PKG And [V92] Gran Touring/Trailer Towing Package

So 2.56 G80's centersections would have to be Caprice only - didn't know that either.

Admittedly the specs are often released ahead of production, or midyear changes come into play, but we're getting closer.

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My 94 LDM has V92 with a non-posi and a Dynaride plaque. The 95 has V92 with G80 and a Gran Touring suspension plaque.

Jon - thank you for the input. My '96 RMW has V92, was open differential, and has the Gran Touring suspension plaque.

Anyone else care to share their V92 details?

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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:58 pm

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My 94 LDM has V92 with a non-posi and a Dynaride plaque. The 95 has V92 with G80 and a Gran Touring suspension plaque.

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Hmmmm... I don't see anything to specifically denote the "Gran Touring" package in the RPO codes available for the RMW's. I thought maybe it was possible that V92 plus G80 equals Gran Touring, but JaySS' '96 doesn't have a posi yet has Gran Touring plaque, so that would debunk that theory. Jon, does your '94 LDM have air shocks (G67)? Could it be V92 plus G67 air shocks equals Gran Touring? Jay, does your '96 RMW have air shocks?
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:22 pm

The LDM has air shocks also. Other than the G80, the suspension is identical between it and the 95. Here's another one, my black 94 parts car is a non-tow pack but has the F40 susp. and a factory oil cooler.

I just about believe there is no differnce between "Dynaride" and "Gran Touring Suspension" other than a plaque on the dash.

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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:40 pm

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The LDM has air shocks also. Other than the G80, the suspension is identical between it and the 95. Here's another one, my black 94 parts car is a non-tow pack but has the F40 susp. and a factory oil cooler.

I just about believe there is no differnce between "Dynaride" and "Gran Touring Suspension" other than a plaque on the dash.

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Compnine says all LT1 wagons had the F40 suspension. As far as the oil cooler goes, I guess it was optional, but it's anyone's guess as to why so many non tow pack cars have it. It appears to only be on a car if that car had the V92 or the V03 "extra capacity cooling". For the Caprice wagon in 1994 every civilian car had the built in oil cooler, and every car including the 1A2's had either the V92 or the V03. But for a '94 RMW it was different: All wagons that had oil coolers had either heavy cooling (tow pack) or extra capacity cooling, so that leaves exactly 2,000 without either. Now as far as the Gran Touring thing goes, it's gotta be a combo of two (or more) options makes it a GT. Just need to find out what that combination is!
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:55 pm

This links to the same information I posted for the 1996.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/1996/buick/roadmaster/estate_wagon/657/packages_options/index.html


This site has the 1995 listings. I notice that the posi was required for the tow pack in 1995.
http://www.automobilemag.com/am/1995/buick/roadmaster/packages_options.html


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GRAN TOURING/TRAILER PKG  - $375
Trailer towing preparation; Rear wheels; Rear tires; Axle ratio :1; Auxiliary oil cooler; Heavy duty alternate suspension; Rear suspension with stabilizer bar; Heat reflective glass; Excludes: [SA] NO PKG DESIRED; Includes: [G67] Suspension levelling; Requires: [G80] Limited slip differential
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:58 pm

Huh... Wonder what makes these cars different than CA emission cars: NG1 MA EMISSIONS - $100
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:30 pm

Thanks for the info, Nick. So maybe Gran Touring is a combo of V92 plus G80. It would explain why it says "V92- GRAN TOURING/TRAILER PKG" for '95 and '96. Maybe since the '94 RMW's could have a V92 with no posi that wouldn't have added up to make the GT. That would explain Jon's Dynaride '94 with no posi and a tow pack... we need some more input from tow pack RMW owners... specifically I'd like to know what the dash plaque says on '94 RMW's with V92 and G80.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:52 pm

We have a 1994 RMW, Dynaride plaque, V92 trailer provisions, but no G80 posi.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:01 pm

OK... now I'm really confused as to what the hell "Gran Touring" denotes, at least on the '94 RMW that is. I found a few '94 RMW's on eBay. A few of them had air shocks (G67), G80 and V92 and still said Dynaride. Then I found one with G67, G80 and V92 that said Gran Touring, so now I have absolutely no clue what that plaque means!

You can go to compnine.com and see for yourselves:
This one says Gran Touring: 1G4BR82P2RR413808
And this one says Dynaride: 1G4BR82P6RR423645

What the heck is different about these two cars that makes one warrant having the GT badge????
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:09 pm

Lynol wrote:
Hmmmm... I don't see anything to specifically denote the "Gran Touring" package in the RPO codes available for the RMW's.

There won't be - remember this was done to as a way to offer something that wasn't approved.

Lynol wrote:
I thought maybe it was possible that V92 plus G80 equals Gran Touring, but JaySS' '96 doesn't have a posi yet has Gran Touring plaque, so that would debunk that theory. Jon, does your '94 LDM have air shocks (G67)? Could it be V92 plus G67 air shocks equals Gran Touring? Jay, does your '96 RMW have air shocks?

Yes, it does. As stated above, it's quite certain all V92's have the air shocks.

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OK... now I'm really confused as to what the hell "Gran Touring" denotes, at least on the '94 RMW that is. I found a few '94 RMW's on eBay. A few of them had air shocks (G67), G80 and V92 and still said Dynaride. Then I found one with G67, G80 and V92 that said Gran Touring, so now I have absolutely no clue what that plaque means!

You can go to compnine.com and see for yourselves:
This one says Gran Touring: 1G4BR82P2RR413808
And this one says Dynaride: 1G4BR82P6RR423645

What the heck is different about these two cars that makes one warrant having the GT badge????

Don't overthink this. If both are original, either there is another option that separates the two, or it could be an assembly line mistake / shortage that had the second one fitted with the base suspension emblem.

There is one thing that would be nice to nail down, that is the Sungate windshield - RPO A23. The above links imply it was part of V92. The '96 full line brochure says it is standard on all wagons. My wagon doesn't show it as equipped in the Compnine search (as much as that can be trusted).

Additionally, the option code isn't listed as even available on RMW according to the VIN decoder. Can anyone prove / disprove that it was standard or optional? If it was optional, what option or option package were required to ensure the vehicle they were ordering would receive it?

Some build sheets would be very helpful, but beyond the abbreviated cowl sticker under the LH fender, I've never seen anything resembling one in any of these cars. Anyone know if they exist and where they are placed?

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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:43 pm

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...Additionally, the option code isn't listed as even available on RMW according to the VIN decoder. Can anyone prove / disprove that it was standard or optional? If it was optional, what option or option package were required to ensure the vehicle they were ordering would receive it?
- J
If the A23 RPO is not there as a choice in Compnine, that would mean it was not an option; so your brochure would be correct in stating that it is standard on all wagons -BUT that's only for '94 to '96 RMWs. If you look up '93 or older wagons, you will find A23 listed as an option.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:03 am

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1SE PRESTIGE PKG - $1,290
Headlight control with dusk sensor; Driver and passenger illuminated vanity mirror; Seat; Cornering lights/curb illumination; Includes: [1SD] LUXURY PKG And [AU4] DOOR LOCKS-AUTO PROGRAM. And [AU0] Remote Keyless Entry

V03 Cooling Package -
Excludes: [V92] Gran Touring/Trailer Towing Package

V92 Gran Touring/Trailer Towing Package -
2.930:1 axle ratio; Auxiliary transmission cooler; Heavy duty alternate suspension; Heat reflective glass; Excludes: [V03] Cooling Package; Includes: [G67] Suspension - Auto. Level

Z27 LIMITED WAGON PKG - $1,870
Front seats cup holders; Seat; Automatic operation rear view mirror; Head restraints on front seats with rotational adjustment; Carpet floor mats; Passenger and driver power heated door mirrors; Driver and passenger illuminated vanity mirror; Headlight control with dusk sensor; Leather covered steering wheel; Cornering lights/curb illumination; Excludes:
[1SD] LUXURY PKG And [1SE] PRESTIGE PKG;
Includes: [AU0] Remote Keyless Entry And [AU4] DOOR LOCKS-AUTO PROGRAM.


I'm confused. My 95 RMW has both 1SE and Z27, but that description makes it sound like they are mutually exclusive.

Back to the original research, it has V92 (Tow package) and G80 (limited slip) and has the Gran Touring Suspension plaque. I do not have the A23 (sungate windshield) listed nor does the windshield have the sungate logo. (It is made by LOF and has DOT code DW1274 which is supposed to be "PPG brand, Shaded, non-reflective". It could be a replacement by a PO.)
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:30 am

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...I do not have the A23 (sungate windshield) listed nor does the windshield have the sungate logo. (It is made by LOF and has DOT code DW1274 which is supposed to be "PPG brand, Shaded, non-reflective". It could be a replacement by a PO.)
There's no A23 code for '94 and newer RMWs, only '93 and older could have that code. The Sungate was standard on all '94 to '96 RMWs, and as such, would not have a code, sort of like how the woodgrain or power windows was standard and had no code. If your car doesn't have a Sungate, it's windshield was replaced.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:15 pm

buickwagon wrote:
...I do not have the A23 (sungate windshield) listed nor does the windshield have the sungate logo. (It is made by LOF and has DOT code DW1274 which is supposed to be "PPG brand, Shaded, non-reflective". It could be a replacement by a PO.)

1274 is the industry glass code for the standard windshield, 1275 is the code for the heat reflective style. Replacement heat reflective glass not manufacturer by PPG will not be labeled Sungate.

Lynol wrote:
[There's no A23 code for '94 and newer RMWs, only '93 and older could have that code. The Sungate was standard on all '94 to '96 RMWs, and as such, would not have a code, sort of like how the woodgrain or power windows was standard and had no code. If your car doesn't have a Sungate, it's windshield was replaced.

Slow down a bit here, we don't know that is true just yet, that will take more information to prove. At the moment we have only some pre-production literature to base it on.

We do need more people with Sungate LT1 Roadmasters to tell us what options the car has, and if there is an A23 code on the SPID.

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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:42 pm

A huge thank you to Nick Danger and JaySS as I am learning a lot about my 95 RMW and how to
interpret the compnine information into laymens terms.It would be great if someone was aable to
produce an replacement window sticker for our wagons!
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:44 pm

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Slow down a bit here, we don't know that is true just yet, that will take more information to prove. At the moment we have only some pre-production literature to base it on.

We do need more people with Sungate LT1 Roadmasters to tell us what options the car has, and if there is an A23 code on the SPID.

- J

Yes, agreed. What I'm basing the Sungate being standard thing on is the brochure says it was standard on all RMWs and there's no A23 RPO code available for '94, 5, or 6 RMWs. But the info Nick posted lists it as being part of the tow package, so possibly something is incorrect. Either the brochure erroneously lists it as standard, compnine is missing the A23 RPO as an option, or the options information from motortrend.com is incorrect in stating the Sungate was part of the tow pack.... definitely need more Sungate wagon input.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:25 pm

MY 95 RMW has pretty much all the options listed according to Compnine (F40 GW9 G67 G80 V92
) with no A23 but mine does have the Sungate windshield and GT plaque.



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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:12 pm

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Some build sheets would be very helpful, but beyond the abbreviated cowl sticker under the LH fender, I've never seen anything resembling one in any of these cars. Anyone know if they exist and where they are placed?

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I actually found a build sheet under the right front seat on a certain 94 WB4 I parted. I kept it, will try to pull it out tonight and do a compine on the VIN for comparison, it was a tow pack car but not G80

If I get a chance this weekend, I'll check my 96 RMW SPID too. I know it's G80 and V92 but can't remember the badging on the dash.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:45 pm

I want a sungate windshield so badly. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:10 pm

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I want a sungate windshield so badly. Sad
They do look cool, I don't exactly know what they're supposed to do, but mine sure does it all day long. Interesting Sungate story; Bought a GPS many years ago, worked great on the trip home in my truck. Tried to use it in a friend's RMW later, couldn't get a signal with it. Tried everything, concluded it was broken, and exchanged it for another unit. New one has the same problem. So I tried it in my truck, worked fine! So I put it in the RMW again, still no signal. Stuck the GPS to the side window, and BAM! It started working. It was at that point I realized in was the Sungate blocking the signal! I must have looked like a moron driving around with that thing on the side window of my OCC whenever I took a trip...
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:21 pm

Sungate windshields also block EzPass/Fastlane transponders from working properly.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:03 pm

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Sungate windshields also block EzPass/Fastlane transponders from working properly.

No Sungate on the Vista roof!!
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:04 pm

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Cadet57 wrote:
Sungate windshields also block EzPass/Fastlane transponders from working properly.

No Sungate on the Vista roof!!

Nope. Does it work up there thou?
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:16 pm

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BigBlackBeaSSt wrote:
Cadet57 wrote:
Sungate windshields also block EzPass/Fastlane transponders from working properly.

No Sungate on the Vista roof!!

Nope. Does it work up there thou?

yup.......... It kinda freeks out the toll workers because it trips the EZPass late and the think you are going to stop.... Wink
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:41 pm

I have read that the sungate windshield has two small areas, on on either side of the rear-view mirror, that are able to pass RF without interference.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:59 pm

My 94 RMW with V92 and G80 says Dyna Ride.

I heard at least on the 94s they slapped those plaques on willy nilly and they don't mean much (read that on ISSF a couple years back before the GDL 2K9)
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:39 pm

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My 94 RMW with V92 and G80 says Dyna Ride.

I heard at least on the 94s they slapped those plaques on willy nilly and they don't mean much (read that on ISSF a couple years back before the GDL 2K9)
I'm starting to believe that... I think the Gran Touring suspension usually means tow pack, but I'm seeing Dynaride badged cars with the same exact stuff so yeah...
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:52 pm

However, I thought Dynaride was cars with a softer suspension. As if a Roadmaster didnt have soft suspension to begin with. lol.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:21 pm

Does "COMPONENT-COMPUTER SELECTED SUSPENSION SUSP" have anything to do with it? I have 4 of them (6TM, 7TM, 8RN, 9RN). Or maybe "SUSPENSION,HEAVY DUTY,FRONT AND REAR HVY DUTY SUSP(F40)"?
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:03 am

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Does "COMPONENT-COMPUTER SELECTED SUSPENSION SUSP" have anything to do with it? I have 4 of them (6TM, 7TM, 8RN, 9RN). Or maybe "SUSPENSION,HEAVY DUTY,FRONT AND REAR HVY DUTY SUSP(F40)"?
F40 was standard on all '94 to '96 wagons (Caprice wagons too), As far as the suspension RPO's, yours is different from the two '94 RMW's I ran on compnine. One said Dynaride and one said Gran Touring, but there were no differences at ALL. They both had 6TM and 7TM but the others were 8RP and 9RP. I wonder if maybe like Sprocket said the dash plaques were installed all willy nilly for 1994. I just ran a '95 RMW with tow pack and Gran Touring badge, and it has the same 4 suspension RPOs as yours. Maybe that one '94 I ran with the Gran Touring plaque was wrong... maybe it was a Dynaride car and the wrong badge was put on. This is on your '95 I take it, and you mentioned it has a Grand Touring badge, so I think you might be on to something... I'm interested to know now what suspension RPO's other people's wagons with the Gran Touring plaque are. Perhaps the 8RN and 9RN are how you can tell GT's apart... time to find some more VINs!
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:08 am

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This is on your '95 I take it, and you mentioned it has a Grand Touring badge,

Yes and yes.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:21 am

Darn the 8RP 9RP vs. 8RN 9RN thing isn't it. Only '94 RMW's had two different ones offered. (the RP and RN ones) Production numbers were split between about half of the cars. All '95s and '96s had the 8RN-9RN suspension RPOs. Must have just been some running change during the '94 model year.
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PostSubject: Re: What exactly does the "Towing package" on the LT1s consist of?   Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:32 am

Lynol wrote:
Darn the 8RP 9RP vs. 8RN 9RN thing isn't it. Only '94 RMW's had two different ones offered. (the RP and RN ones) Production numbers were split between about half of the cars. All '95s and '96s had the 8RN-9RN suspension RPOs. Must have just been some running change during the '94 model year.

You may be onto some sort of explanation.

Have we seen any '95 or '96 RMW's with Dynaride & RN spring codes?

If not, and we take the '94 plaque assignments as currently suspect, then it would still hold.

We still could use more input on this and the Sungate questions. So everyone feel free to up their post count with some information that is actually relevant to the forum for a change.

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