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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Fri May 10, 2013 11:31 pm

how fast were you driving while towing, and in what gear ?
I warped a seal while towing a uhaul 4x8 trailer "faster than recommended." It was a gusher, but it looked like it was coming from the pan. I got stuck in Sauk Center, MN, about 1000 miles from where my departure and destination points. I was sure the timing cover had to come off and was dreading the worst. Since I was stuck between a rock and a hard place, at night, I took the "sure win" and stayed at a local motel. Next day I had it assessed by a local mechanic IOT get a 2nd opinion before tearing into it. He corroborated the warped seal, and recommended a can of Justice Brothers seal restorer and an oil + filter. I couldn't believe it, but fixed the problem. Total cost: under 30$. Dude even vacuumed and washed the car. I bought a spare gallon of oil at walmart, but he laughed and said I wouldn't need it. It never leaked again. I still can't believe it worked. I kept it at 60 for the rest of the way home.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Fri May 10, 2013 11:36 pm

About 70mph. Drive, not overdrive, since I've heard bad things about that.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Fri May 10, 2013 11:43 pm

Any update Ray?

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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 11, 2013 12:37 pm

I arrived at Rays this moring and he happily claimed that it was NOT the timing cover but the intake as the whole top of the intake was swimming in oil when he pulled the air cleaner off.
Apparently it was running off the top and down the front of the block and along the cover.

I was not able to verify as he was already elbow deep unhooking things to pull it. In a few min hes going to pop it off and well have a looky at whats inside.

On a seperate note that I'm sure will be covered in another thread, both Ray and his Mom were speechless this morning Smile.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 11, 2013 12:50 pm

Thanks for giving him a hand John!

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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 11, 2013 7:32 pm

Had to leave before the job was done (taking the wifey out for dinner), but the intake and distro were back in, fuel lines, etc hooked up....only forgot the bracket in the back corner by the EGR (DOH!) So he was taking those bolts back out when I left.

Drain the oil (got some coolant in there when popped the intake (even though we drained the system), and hook it back up. Hoping he finishes it tonight.

I'm sunburned....it was hot out today
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 11, 2013 7:36 pm

No finish tonight. POURING rain. Distributor and all back in. Just have to replace a few broken vacuum lines and change oil, then fill coolant.

No biggie. Thanks again, Sprocket!

I'm also sunburned... but Monday? BRING ON THE SUNTAN!
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 11, 2013 8:18 pm

Good to hear! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 11, 2013 8:23 pm

Come Monday, I, too, will be a toasted marshmallow. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 11, 2013 10:40 pm

K,....

the top of the intake was swimming in oil,..

where did it come from?

and why?? scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 11, 2013 10:43 pm

Gaskets, I assume.... One of them had some damage as well. Hopefully replacing those will fix it.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 11, 2013 11:05 pm

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Gaskets, I assume.... One of them had some damage as well. Hopefully replacing those will fix it.

Which gasket?

if a gasket had damage it would have leaked from the moment it was installed,.

not suddenly on the highway,.

gaskets don't just suddenly get damaged and leak,. its not an everyday unregulated hazard of driving a vehicle,.

If i had to make an internet guess from all the way north here,.

due to the higher RPM of running steady in 3rd gear,. I would guess the drain back holes in the heads couldn't handle the return oil well enough,.

Not sure why you removed the intake,.? after you guys found all the oil,. did you wash things down really good,. and fire it up to visually verify where the leak was coming from?



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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 11, 2013 11:22 pm

Washed and pulled.

Hopefully your theory is right. It's alright though. We found some other issues that would have gone unnoticed without pulling the intake (some of the vacuum lines were melted from the oil, some of the bolts weren't as tight as they should have been).

We'll see what happens tomorrow.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 11, 2013 11:29 pm

phantom 309 wrote:
after you guys found all the oil,. did you wash things down really good,. and fire it up to visually verify where the leak was coming from?
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 12, 2013 6:01 pm

Welp. Worse now.

No, we didn't visually verify it.

After I set the timing today and buttoned it all up, it ran great. Went to go take it for a drive and now it's making valve noise. Additionally, it's running hot. Way hot.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 12, 2013 6:16 pm

Stingroo wrote:
Welp. Worse now.

No, we didn't visually verify it.

Oh,....

Stingroo wrote:
After I set the timing today and buttoned it all up, it ran great. Went to go take it for a drive and now it's making valve noise. Additionally, it's running hot. Way hot.

Seems that you really ought to reach out for direction before you dive in and try to fix stuff,.

valve noises?....or exhaust leaks,.(tick sound)

way hot?

temp wire compromised?,. air bubble, making the gauge read high?

way hot,. did it boil over and puke the coolant?

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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 12, 2013 6:18 pm

Not exhaust leak. It's more of a rattle than a tick.

I thought air bubble, but then when I stopped at a gas station to look at it, it wouldn't start back up.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 12, 2013 6:40 pm

Man you have to catch a break soon. I was just down this road with my(do I dare say it)1993 Ford van. I tried getting answers off line which just got me more confused.It is hard to get a fix if they are not there. I had 3 different mechanics look at it and each one had a different answer. I narrowed it down to vaccum as crazy as that sounds but vaccum leaks in them make every thing go screwy( Happened to me before). I could not find it so I ended up getting rid of it and getting my wagon. BTW the guy I sold it to knew just what it was .NOT. Any way good luck. It has to be something simple right Question
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 12, 2013 6:43 pm

I sure hope so.

Ormond Beach, eh? That's where all my trouble started. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 12, 2013 7:00 pm

Stingroo wrote:
I sure hope so.

Ormond Beach, eh? That's where all my trouble started. LOL

So,. its "rattling" "running way hot" "and wont start"


Pull the plug,. its fried,.

Ran it out of oil,. fried the bearings,.

Put a fork in it,.



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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 12, 2013 7:03 pm

That's the thing though. There was oil in it when I drained it.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 12, 2013 7:05 pm

Stingroo wrote:
I sure hope so.

Ormond Beach, eh? That's where all my trouble started. LOL
Yea it is my fault for not buying your rims. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 12, 2013 7:25 pm

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That's the thing though. There was oil in it when I drained it.

Didn't you add the oil?
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 12, 2013 8:02 pm

I changed the oil and filter. There was oil in the pan. No metal shavings or anything in it, though. Ran a magnet through it and got nothing.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 12, 2013 8:10 pm

That's a bummer.

Bearing material is non-magnetic.

Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 12, 2013 8:18 pm

That... is not reassuring.


Crap.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 12, 2013 8:44 pm

Did you dispose of the oil yet? If not, hold a flashlight to it in the drainpan and use a screwdriver to stir it around a bit.

It should NOT look like this, the oil that came out of my scoobie:
http://youtu.be/0RpMkYbMbLU
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 12, 2013 8:57 pm

toomanytoyz wrote:
Did you dispose of the oil yet? If not, hold a flashlight to it in the drainpan and use a screwdriver to stir it around a bit.

It should NOT look like this, the oil that came out of my scoobie:
http://youtu.be/0RpMkYbMbLU

I still have the oil. Can check it out tomorrow when it stops raining.

This is not pleasant. lol
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Thu May 16, 2013 5:28 pm

Did you get the job Ray?

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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Thu May 16, 2013 8:12 pm

Nothing yet. Two more interviews tomorrow.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Thu May 16, 2013 10:46 pm

Too bad you weren't closer,. i could give you a heck of a deal on another wagon,...

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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Fri May 17, 2013 11:04 am

Did you ever find out what the issue is with your current engine?
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 18, 2013 7:09 pm

so has anyone been by to look at the old motor yet?

What about the L03 for 250?
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 18, 2013 7:40 pm

Still no. That's a problem too.... John has been busy.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 18, 2013 8:55 pm

well then fire the motor and video it,. post it to u toob,. and we'll all put our opinions up,..

idle,.

2000 no load,.

1500 in gear,..

we'll see whats waht,..

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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sat May 18, 2013 9:18 pm

Will do tomorrow.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 19, 2013 11:23 am

My luck... lol.

Went to go fire motor. Battery dead. I'll go drop it off at Advance and pick it up later and start it.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 19, 2013 12:20 pm

battery in Grimace?
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 19, 2013 12:23 pm

Wait... you have to take a battery to a parts store to be charged, yet you are contemplating an engine swap?
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 19, 2013 12:32 pm

Wish we were closer,I have 7 gel compatible battery chargers and thats not counting the samll trickle chargers.Sometimes its good to have a tool hoarding little brother except when he puts your tools away! scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 19, 2013 1:34 pm

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Wait... you have to take a battery to a parts store to be charged, yet you are contemplating an engine swap?

Can't find charger in dad's stuff, no other car here. Parts store right down the road.

Fun excuse for a bike ride. Don't judge me. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 19, 2013 8:23 pm

why is the battery flat,....
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 19, 2013 9:53 pm

Dome light was on.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 19, 2013 10:07 pm

Well, at least you know that's working. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Sun May 19, 2013 10:31 pm

LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Mon May 20, 2013 5:16 pm

What happened with the video?
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Mon May 20, 2013 5:27 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHIAdc1Ag8k

I don't get it. It started up just fine once I put the battery back in it. No valve clatter like before. Still an oil leak somewhere, but pressure looks good. It was stumbling a little bit at idle.


Also, I ran it for about minutes before that video and it stalled. I advanced the timing a little bit and this time it didn't (obviously). Maybe I need somebody with a timing light.
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Mon May 20, 2013 8:14 pm

it gets hot because it doesn't have a fan shroud,.

put a vacuum gauge on it,. see what its got for vacuum,.

check the oil filter adapter housing to block, common spot for leaks,.(dorman 82560)


drive it.,,....

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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Mon May 20, 2013 8:33 pm

Drove it.

Friend says the noise it makes could be due to a stretched or stretching timing chain?

Drive vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-OfKWt-8vg



I know I need to get a shroud. It got destroyed in the accident.

Oil filter adapter to block I did like a year ago. Think it could fail that quickly?
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PostSubject: Re: Roo Wagon Down again   Mon May 20, 2013 8:43 pm

I'm pretty sure I have a TBI shroud laying around, you need upper and lower parts?
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