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PostSubject: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 11:47 am

So I found a 1996 road master locally. It has issues. Broken driver side rear window, major oil leak (supposedly supply line and not an engine issue), rusted out front fenders and radiator cradle. Wasp nest under the tail light and inside the tailgate is included at no extra cost.

Interior look good and it has less than 60k miles. Is this worth considering, or am I better of looking at nicer ones around $3-4k?

Underside looked OK rust wise, but I was in work clothes and the ground was wet. Will have pictures tonight.

There also is a 94 locally with broken ac and 14xk miles for $2k. Might be a better choice?
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 1:02 pm

If it has rusted out front fenders and radiator cradle, it is definitely not a Carolina car. I would pass and keep looking.

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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 1:04 pm

I had that oil line replaced on my RM. They are cooling lines that run to the radiator. The part was 49.00 but if your car is dumping al the oil out in about 30 seconds..... they charge you $490.00 to fit it!

So if you buy it - do that first.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 1:20 pm

So a $49 part and $500 labor. Ouch. This one has been sitting a while, so it should be dry.

It was originally a Kentucky car, hence the rust. Only an issue on the front, back fender wells looked solid.

I appreciate the feedback, will have pics up tonight.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 1:28 pm


Or just get the RMS / Corvette Oil Cooler Delete adapter and forget those lines. First thing I ditch on these cars (and the Fleetwood will soon follow once I pick another adapter up at the yard)

If you can talk them down to $600 or so....that interior might be MINT at 60K miles. Engine and trans too. Then, source out a nice Southern wagon with a shot interior and motor....get it cheap and put some sweat into a nice project.

That is what I did with Jade. Interior and drivetrain came from a Dakota wagon and I put it all in a clapped out Atlanta, GA wagon.

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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 1:30 pm


And I would gladly come up and help you one weekend if you needed it.....it goes by fast with help Smile


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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 3:48 pm

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If it has rusted out front fenders and radiator cradle, it is definitely not a Carolina car. I would pass and keep looking.

Tom

I agree with Tom. Pass on that car. If it that rusty there is more rust that you have not yet seen. That is a parts car.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 3:57 pm

Sounds like it has issues, but that's a low mile car. If you do you own work you can do the oil cooler lines, (if that's really what it is, and not the manifold or main bearing seal) I've done them myself. Or just bypass it like others have said, it doesn't do a whole lot under normal driving anyway. When I look at wagons around here, I usually check for rust in these places on the body: The front fender wells, rad sppt, rear fender area, the bottoms of the B pillars on the outside between the doors, the tailgate hinge area, and believe it or not, I pop out the rear seat cushion and check the bottom of the C pillars, 'cause I've seen two cars rusted out there. Some of these areas are rusted out a lot because of water leaks, so even a car that's not driven in salt can have them.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 3:59 pm

Oh yeah, and the RMW I'm getting this weekend has a bees nest in the same places!
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 4:31 pm

Dont be scared of rust. Unless you're looking for a perfect car. My roadmaster wagons radiator support was rotted. I replaced it. My front inner fenders are rotted. I don't care. It was cheap, and it runs excellent. Makes for a great daily driver I don't need to sweat a ding or a scratch.

For $1000, with that low mileage, whatever is rusted can be changed out and still be worth the buy.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 6:21 pm

brakelines could be shot, parking brake cables could be shot, floors could be shot, etc ect.

i bought a '95 wagon this past fall originally from kentucky aswell for around the same price. after doing all the work my self i've got maybe $2000 sunk in it including the price of the car. it's still not officially on the road but its very close. would i do it again? hell nah, i'd save my pennies and buy something in better shape.

also FWIW my drivers inner wheel well was rotted through also. i picked up a rust free one yesterday for $30.

take another look at the underside of the car.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 8:46 pm

The easiest/cheapest fix for leaking oil line fittings is to simply remove the fitting from the rad, cut the end off at the hose, buy a short length of pre-flared tubing, cut the end, thread it in the rad, put the hose on, clamp. No leaks. Ten bucks.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 8:54 pm

Mine was sitting on grass for 6 years. Needed rear brake lines too. No big deal. Some soft spots on the floor but no holes. Only hole is in the spare tire well. Small one at that. I'd guess some people would call mine a parts car. I call it what's gonna get me to Florida in a few weeks.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 11:01 pm

Ok, so here are the pictures. 3rd row seat looks like it has never been used...

Front windshield has a crack in it. Busted rear driver window, but looks like no water damage.
does has rear defrost which is something i have been looking for.















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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 11:55 pm

From the looks of the seats, I would say it is a real 60,000 car. If it were me, I would do a car fax just to be sure. With that low of miles you could get years out of it. I must say I have never seen inner fenders rust like that. And, the spare tire well is a bummer. But, if you are looking for cheap transportation (and where you live does not inspect the car for that kind of rust) I would buy it in a heartbeat. We all know how bullet proof these cars are, and with 60k on it you are good for years to come.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Thu May 23, 2013 11:57 pm

I don't care if that wagon had 64 miles, don't walk, RUN away!!!
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 12:49 am

Yikes...dude...I dunno about that one. Id pass unless you can get it cheeap. Like scrap value cheap.

$400 and you take out the good stuff...then scrap it to get most of that money back.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 1:17 am

PASS PASS PUFF ... wait, just pass.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 8:53 am

Kentucky car my @$$. It might have been a moved to Kentucky car, sometime after it started rotting out from all the norther Indiana/Ohio winter/salt BS. I would have to say pass unless you can get it for scrap value and throw the drive train into something else.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 9:03 am

That is as bad as I have seen. My guess Western NY, Northern New England or WI / MI.

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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 9:33 am

Those fenders are long gone! Limited seats though that's nice, but looks like not heated. That's one of the only tow pack, non-posi's I've seen, that's weird. How are the rear fender/wheel well areas? The fender liners can be replaced, but when you've got visible rust through on the body itself, then stuff starts getting super expensive, what with shaping and painting. My concern with a car like that would be what's under the carpet. Could be bad, and you won't really know until you're stuck with it. If the rear fenders are good, around here a car like that would sell for around $1,000. (actually a '96 LTD RMW just did) Down by you though, that's a lot of rust (I see it's scaring some of our southern friends!) I would think down there it might be worth $600. If it had 130,000 miles, it would be worthless down there, and worth $600 here. It's all relative. And in the end, it's all about how much work you want to do. Myself, if I came across that car, I would be interested, but if I lived down by you? I would expect better, and probably pass.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 10:54 am

Shocked Yeah... that one is gone unfortunately. Parts car for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 12:22 pm

RUN AWAY!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 2:05 pm

I'm not generally afraid of rust, but that one looks like a $500 parts car to me.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 3:42 pm

Good Lord the rust on that. How SAD! What a contrast with the perfect front center arm reast and covered carpet in the 3rd row.

Wow....


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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 3:59 pm

that's just a 300 buck parts car, unless you got the time to pull the parts and a place to store em, don't waste your time or money.

did you look at the rear frame?

did it look anything like this?



if you pull the back seat you may find this





just so you know the two wagons I pictured here had decent enough front inner fenders......something to think about.....
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 7:33 pm

I'll run back by this weekend - see if I can get it on a lift and look under it.

Frame looked solid (dirty as heck from the oil leak) and the rear inner fenders didn't have any rust on them that that I could see.

Based on what i see everyone saying $1000 is too much - if the frame is solid (i will check) I might offer $500 and see what happens.

I f nothing else I could use the glass for mine, since I have some scratches from the prior kids owner in the wagon side glass.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 7:53 pm

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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 9:51 pm

YIIIKES!!

lift the car up,. look underneath,.
something odd about it,. where was it parked to get that much corrosion,. like right next to the boardwalk somewhere,.It,s definitely been exposed to something very corrosive,.
I live dead centre of the rust belt,. known for horrible wet sloppy calcium salty roads,. and i,ve only seen a couple of cars that bad,..
The mileage would save that car,..

I,d definitely check the floors,. and D pillars,.

It just may just need a front clip,..

I,ve seen some pretty tough cars get "refreshed " and sold out of waterloo NY,.

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that dog leg on the frame is the killer,.
offer them 500 for the car,. take robs advice,.


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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 10:07 pm

Nick, that mileage won't save the car... it'll save the VIN plate.....

transfer the drivetrain, interior, and VIN to a 1/4 million mile southern body and resell......illegal and unethical as hell...... just saying.....
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 11:34 pm

Superior Finish wrote:
transfer the drivetrain, interior, and VIN to a 1/4 million mile southern body and resell...
Hey! I resemble that remark. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri May 24, 2013 11:38 pm

Even if they paid you to take it,please listen to those with much more knowledge about these wagons and RUN away quickly or offer them 500 bucks and part it out.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Sat May 25, 2013 10:07 am

I live in WI and I have seen and owned some pretty rusty cars...but those are the very worst inner fenders I have ever seen by far. The upside is that its almost ready for 28's!
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Sat May 25, 2013 11:04 am

Wow. I'm used to seeing rust but those front fenders kinda scare me. And the rad cradle is deffiniately toast. The floors are probably rotted out near the bottom of the firewall. Was there much left of the spare tire well?

$500 would probably an alright deal, specially if you don't need to get inspected to drive!

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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Sun May 26, 2013 11:13 am

Obviously check the floor and frame, based on what the inner fenders look like. I still say if the structure is otherwise sound, for a driver it is a good deal. And, like I said before, spend the $20 and get a car fax. Even if you drive it for a year, with that low of mileage (if accurate) you could easily get your money back with a low mileage LT1 engine and tranny, and then keep/sell the nice interior bits and trim. Tan, I believe is the most common interior color, and that stuff all looks good.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:45 am

West Virgina car, except registered in Florida from 1998 to 2003. Then auctioned to North Carolina in 2010, with 67,708 miles at the time. The driver's side rear was hit in 2002 (in WV, while registered in FL Smile).

Even if the car really was in Florida, it could have been parked in a salt marsh there...
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:18 pm

I have a house in Florida, and believe me, there are plenty of rusty cars down there. Lots of people think just because it doesn't snow that you are ok- but the salt air (if the car is close to the ocean) can be just as deadly. I wash my Florida car 1-2 times a week, including as much of the underside as I can get, and it is still rust free. When I go up north, it gets a very thorough washing, and then the car cover goes on.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:38 pm

florida cars rust from the top down not the bottom up unless you drive them on the beach in Daytona all the time down by the water.....just saying.

Just because it was registered in FL doesn't mean they didn't winter in Vermont....the rust speaks for itself. 500-600 parts car. if the interior is mint, then maybe a bit more if you are going to pull a Chris and swap the driveling interior into a solid body...
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:42 pm

Holy crap that car is toast. I'd buy it for 600, yank the drivetrain and interior and scrap it. That body is not long for the world
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:17 pm

Was gone within 3-4 days. Didn't even get to go back and get better underbody pics.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:26 pm

IMHO if you had intentions of it being anything other then a parts car you would have run into some major frustrations. probably best it got away.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:40 am

my 96 rmw has less rust than that on an ohio car i paid 500.00 for mine,if your on a budget and thats the best you can buy like me go for it!but get them down on the price
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:20 am

bcb577 wrote:
my 96 rmw has less rust than that on an ohio car i paid 500.00 for mine,if your on a budget and thats the best you can buy like me go for it!but get them down on the price

I know you are enthusiastically reading all the threads and catching up,.

but a 2013 thread about a used wagon,.. its a little outdated and irrelevant i think,..?
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:50 pm

But irrelevant enough to comment, but point taken, I will pay more attention to dates!
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:05 pm

FORGET IT! It may have been from Kentucky, but it must have been parked next to a salt mine instead of coal.
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:08 pm

By now the seller has died of old age and the car turned into maytags
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:23 pm

Yeah point taken, new member here wasn't looking at dates but hey at least a conversation has taken place. Lol,I guess if one more replies to my grave mistake I started a revolution or something. Lmbo j/k but honestly I mmade a error, shoulda gotten an idea of the format before I replied
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PostSubject: Re: $1000 for 1996 Wagon. Worth it?   Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:13 pm

Wow, there is a blast from the past - yeah, glad I passed on this one back in the day.
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