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Cut hole

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Make a mess

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Insert Tab A into hole B.

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Make more of a mess

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Water and feed

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and an extra pedal grows!!



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You mean you didn't paint it to match first? I'm disappointed. Razz

Lookin' good Tim!
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PostSubject: T56 Project   My head is sore from bump Icon_minitimeSat Dec 10, 2011 10:26 am

Oh sure you get an extra pedal...but there goes one of the finest Bravada console installs ever! Way to go Tim...now it will be a Hot Rod Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: My head is sore from bump   My head is sore from bump Icon_minitimeSat Dec 10, 2011 10:29 am

Wow this makes me glad I snagged a bbhp pedal. The pedal position is a little goofy but this looks like a lot more work.
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Looks like there will be no more denying that your wagon is officially a HOT ROD.Great progress
for someone with a sore head.
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PostSubject: Re: My head is sore from bump   My head is sore from bump Icon_minitimeSat Dec 10, 2011 10:50 am

The f2b is night and day better than the bbhp. I hated that pedal setup!

And Tim took apart a bit more than i did... Wink

Nice work, Timmy!
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Yup, that sure looks like a gutted interior!

Congratulations! Make sure you post a picture of the sh!t eating grin on your face that occurs when you launch it the first time!


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Nice!! Like the painters tape protection too Smile
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dejavu,..

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I agree with bill, when we did jayoldschools t56 many years ago(10?), we used a bbhp setup,. for a huge guy like jason, with his large feet, it works well for him,. but a short legged little fat guy like me i find the f2b setup easier to do the fancy schmancy type two foot driving into the corners etc,.i,ve even considered a small block on the gas pedal to raise it up some,.i like mine with the bench seat,the pic above is without the boot,..


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DBeaSSt wrote:
You mean you didn't paint it to match first? I'm disappointed. Razz

Lookin' good Tim!

Oh that blue has to show through. You cannot paint nice billet aluminum. Maybe polish!!!

Big Wagon Guy wrote:
Oh sure you get an extra pedal...but there goes one of the finest Bravada console installs ever! Way to go Tim...now it will be a Hot Rod Very Happy

Thanks John!! But the console will stay and get reworked if at all possible. Wink

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Looks like there will be no more denying that your wagon is officially a HOT ROD.Great progress
for someone with a sore head.
Jim

Denied!!!! Shocked

toomanytoyz wrote:
The f2b is night and day better than the bbhp. I hated that pedal setup!

And Tim took apart a bit more than i did... Wink

Nice work, Timmy!

Billy, I did not need to take the dash top or face off, but it makes for less to mess up when your grabbing at stuff to sit up for the 500th time. I thousht I had to take if off to get to the VATS shelf, but it did not help. Mad If I did this for a living I would have a permanent headache!!! Man that dash is hard!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: My head is sore from bump   My head is sore from bump Icon_minitimeSat Dec 10, 2011 12:23 pm

Just curious guys,I wear a size 14 shoe so the which kit would you consider for someone
who still loves to heal & toe thru the corners.With the right setup I also love to revmatch
my downshifts.Yes I know the transmissions are all synchronized but I just enjoy the feel
of a perfectly executed shift.
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Lookin' good Tim, but save some for me to do in January.

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I would like to have it done for My NC trip by the end of December. But maybe I can save the tranny portion for your trip!! Very Happy
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Manuals are alot lighter than autos. Should be a one man show if you want it bad enough. Very Happy
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108 LBS.!!!!! Plus bell housing!! The T56 is not very light.......

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108?

Doable.
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Stingroo wrote:
108?

Doable.

done able,..
Lay on your back with your feet under the front bumper and your head towards the rear end,. roll the trans up onto your chest and then bench it up into place,.using your knees to help you as it gets into the hole,.put the bell housing on the motor first,.use a decent clutch pilot shaft,. and a very little grease on the splines helps,.
OR lay down beside your floor jack with the trans on it, you head towards the front of the car,. use your leg to pump the jack up while you hold it steady, as it comes level roll the jack and trans into the hole,. switch yourself 180degs now you can wiggle the tailstock and get it into the crank ,.you can put an automatic in the same way using your leg to pump the jack up,.i usually use a cheap 1" strap tied arond the jack and trans to help steady it,.use a 4X8 sheet of decent thickness plywood if you are doing this on a gravel surface,.it,s a bitch to slide the jack ahead in sandy gravel,.
BTDT a few times,. good luck,.
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Slick.


There you go Tim, no excuses! lol
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I got more excuses they you guys have solutions..... Laughing

I am going to wait on some help to do the tranny portion. Will update thread when it happens. Meanwhile it will be a auto with three pedals!!!
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After readings Nicks instructions,I only have one question for Tim.Are you and the missus done
having kids?Get help and grow old gracefully instead of hunched over with a grimace!
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Flasheroo wrote:
After readings Nicks instructions,I only have one question for Tim.Are you and the missus done
having kids?Get help and grow old gracefully instead of hunched over with a grimace!
Jim

Yeah, my back does not work to well as it is.
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I do it the way Nique described with the jack. Nothing to it. Wink



(just make sure you have the clutch fork pulled out... Wink)
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toomanytoyz wrote:
I do it the way Nique described with the jack. Nothing to it. Wink



(just make sure you have the clutch fork pulled out... Wink)

I will need to put it in twice. The first time I will not have the clutch in, just the tranny and bell housing. I will just bolt up the bell housing, install and mark the tunnel. Pull it back down to cut the tunnel.

The second time I will just be picking the tranny as the other stuff will already be in place.

**************************** Progress ***********************************8

Had to repair a shower door today so the morning was shot. So another half day on the wagon - I work slow, but doing a lot of non-t56 stuff as I go.

So the pedals are in. A little worried about the weather proofing around the main bracket, but we will see.

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I bench bled the hydraulics ad per the service manual. Flushed most if not all of the fluid doing this. Bracket for reservoir and hydraulics are in. Column is back in place with the jeep shaft. Tried to put the stock shaft back, but the jeep shaft deformed the end enough that it did not want to go back.

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Rust proofed the inner fender.

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Started putting the dash back together.

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A little rust proofing on the floor to touch up from doing it last time. If this is dry tomorrow after church I will toss the carpet and seats back in. Replace the inner fender and make sure the car still works. Shocked Tranny is not targeted for Mid January for a date that friends (hint hint, clear throat, nudge) might be able to stop buy for a day, but I won't mention names.......................................... Mike John..... Oh was that out loud?

Will leave the console out until then. Have to figure out how to plug in my phone and GPS for now.
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I put mine up into place with the motor hanging off its mounts,. put the trans and motor up with the jack, drew around the spot i wanted to cut,. lowered the trans back down till it was hanging, then used the plasma and cut out what i needed,. then took the balpeen hammer and radiused the floor for the reverse lockout solenoid,.then jacked up the trans, slid in the X member,
which cross member are you using?

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That might work. Cross member is bowtie overdrives. I plan to cut out for the reverse lock out and cover the hole with the camaro lower boot. Nick thanks.

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The reverse lockout fits with just a little persuading from a bfh... Easier than cutting. Wink
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toomanytoyz wrote:
The reverse lockout fits with just a little persuading from a bfh... Easier than cutting. Wink

exactly, and the less open space you have tween you and the ground the quieter it'll be,.not to mention wet roads yada yada,. i cut an old mudflap to use as a cover and seal the tranny out of the car a little better,.it stretches about a foot all around the hole, and then the carpet ontop makes it nice and cozy,. and there's still the top boot too,.

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PostSubject: Re: My head is sore from bump   My head is sore from bump Icon_minitimeSun Dec 11, 2011 12:39 pm

nick, You just gave me a great idea to be sure the master clutch cylinder is sealed. I could cut a piece of rubber around the outside of the firewall.
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BigBlackBeaSSt wrote:
nick, You just gave me a great idea to be sure the master clutch cylinder is sealed. I could cut a piece of rubber around the outside of the firewall.

i used clear silicone and filled in the gap,..lots of silicone,..shoot a little black paint over it after it dries,. i didn't take the inner fender out either,.

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Man that's awesome. Would be so cool to have a stick in one of these beasts. Please keep the pics coming!
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PostSubject: Re: My head is sore from bump   My head is sore from bump Icon_minitimeSun Dec 11, 2011 10:55 pm

It is back together and running. Just have to put the carpet and seats in tomorrow. Also need to replace the front calipers. Reservoir is full of crap and left front brake has been grabby. Experience tells me that fluid is leaking on the rotor. Makes me think I have a seal gone. Will take the check it tomorrow. Autozone has calipers for $12 each. should be a quick job. Have to be in DC Monday night.

Will run it as a 3 pedaled auto for a while. Sounds like mtrhead79 and 200OZ will converge in January to help finish her up.

Oh and thanks Ian!!
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Works great. cheers Did new front calipers and brakes while I was at it.... Pics to come, as soon as I find the camera.....
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Works great. cheers Did new front calipers and brakes while I was at it.... Pics to come, as soon as I find the camera.....
look under the carpet,.. Wink

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LOL..... I almost left a 6" 3/8th extension under there!!!
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I really hate that cover, but I am trying to protect the steering wheel.

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It is sooooo temping to push that pedal.

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So Tim, Do you take appointments? I have a few things the wagon needs and no time or garage space to do them Laughing
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Man that was a nice console setup. Sharp!

Are you able to mod the S-10 console for the stick?
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Better pull the clutch master cylinder push-rod from the pedal until the slave cylinder is on the transmission. Don't want to extend the slave unrestricted. I ran with the 3-pedal auto for quite a while. It really threw people that had to drive it: an extra pedal and no gear indicator. I didn't bother putting the interior back together in between either though...
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So Tim, Do you take appointments? I have a few things the wagon needs and no time or garage space to do them Laughing

I can never tell when I get the time. If you ever get to PA let me know ahead of time and maybe we can knock something out. It seems my projects are always last minute. Although I think I will take the 13th of next month off to take advantage of mtrhead and 200OZ coming to help. Should be able to knock out the tranny that weekend.

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Man that was a nice console setup. Sharp!

Are you able to mod the S-10 console for the stick?

Thanks for the Kudo's. Carpet is in pretty bad shape though. 200OZ gets the credit for the original install. He IS the man. I think it will work. Gary Meier told me that he did this with an LSx/t56 set up and was able to use the existing hole and boot. Just had to plug the PRNDL hole. I measured JaySS's shift knob in neutral and it is the exact distance that my auto is in neutral. So in theory it should work. Worst case I will enlarge the hole and build a boot/retainer set up. Should not be to tough.

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Better pull the clutch master cylinder push-rod from the pedal until the slave cylinder is on the transmission. Don't want to extend the slave unrestricted. I ran with the 3-pedal auto for quite a while. It really threw people that had to drive it: an extra pedal and no gear indicator. I didn't bother putting the interior back together in between either though...

You have touched on my concerns. I will be the only one driving it, so should be ok, I might disconnect it the inside and tie wrap the pedal up or back. I put a cable and wires to hold up the piston closed. By the bleeder instructions it seem to be the thing to do. I will take a picture and get your opinion when I can. I put the interior back because I have to run it daily . I should only need to remover the seats and carpet to finish the job.

Thanks for all the comments and advice.
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I put the interior back because I have to run it daily . I should only need to remover the seats and carpet to finish the job.

I was using it daily too... usually with a female coworker in the car with me all day. Luckily she was a gearhead too.

You're doing very nice work, Tim. I'm impressed with how fast its coming together. I'll check my calendar for the weekend of the 13th.
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Well John and I (mostly John) started in the NotRod at about 2 pm today. As of 11:30 PM the tranny is in and hole is about cut. A little more finesse tomorrow and she will be ready to bolt back up. Possibly headers tomorrow as well, as long as the cats are off. Pictures to come when I am not falling asleep.
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Must be hard at work on the notrod.
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Came up for a breath, drove it at about 3pm with one seat and no interior. It was ready to run when we went to bed last night. Mike is tweeking the console and we should be on to re-install the interior. Very Happy

Should be done tonight without any speed bumps. Suspect
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Came up for a breath, drove it at about 3pm with one seat and no interior. It was ready to run when we went to bed last night. Mike is tweeking the console and we should be on to re-install the interior. Very Happy

Should be done tonight without any speed bumps. Suspect

Pictures soon, including first drive smiles!!
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Came up for a breath, drove it at about 3pm with one seat and no interior.

I've been driving around all week like that! I used the passenger seat, it was easier to maneuver.
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Darn you guys work fast! As soon as someone can pry you out of your new improved car, give us some details and pics! Hey, I think I ought to take a trip out to PA, ha ha...
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Can't wait to see pics, nothing like a 6 speed in a wagon
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i wish i could have been there for 1st ride. i left for home friday night at 8 pm cant wait to drive it when your in philly. who needs int. when you are chirping 2nd gear Very Happy
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First it has to be said, THANK YOU JOHN AND MIKE. Without these two this would not have happened!!!!

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Remove Tranny.........

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Rust proofing.... at the resistance of John!! YOUR MAKING A MESS TIM!!!!

Fly wheel. 40 LBS for the dual mass!!

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Stock style 96 Corvette clutch

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Bell housing

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Fill the tranny and put it on the jack (Thanks for the jack loaner Johns Buddy!!)

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Mark the hole from below, drilled small holes at the corners and connect the dots with the plasma cutter.

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Looks good John!!

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Love the crossmember..... Bowtie Overdrives!!

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Trying to utilize the blazer console

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Mike found an errector set at a yard sale I think.

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Time for a sets ride before we get to far!! WOOT!!

BEFORE!!
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AFTER!!
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Erector set grows!!!

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utilized the top or the shifter bracket from the blazer console to bolt the cup holder to. John Mike and I all had the same idea. If great minds think alike, we proved that not so great minds do as well. L brackets from the hardware store and some steel stock, VERY SOLID!!

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Honest I did do some work!!

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Starting to look "human?" again.......

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WHEW!!!! Took me as long to post this as it did John to put the tranny in!!!! Shocked



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