GM Longroof Forum
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.



 
HomeHome  PortalPortal  GalleryGallery  Latest imagesLatest images  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log in  

 

 LT1 throttle position sensor

Go down 
+2
sherlock9c1
lamune
6 posters
AuthorMessage
lamune

lamune


Posts : 868
Join date : 2014-05-09
Location : Seattle

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeThu 13 Aug 2015, 7:24 pm

Guys, when reinstalling the TPS, do you need to wind it on in some way?

The reason I ask is that looking at the position of the tangs and the position of the lever on the throttle body, it looks to me like if you just stick it straight on it'll never engage and rotate.

You can't rotate the body of the TPS to any degree because there's the PCV pipe fitting in the way. The FSM just says to make sure the tangs line up with the lever. Very unhelpful there.
Back to top Go down
lamune

lamune


Posts : 868
Join date : 2014-05-09
Location : Seattle

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeMon 17 Aug 2015, 12:43 am

Wow, nobody's changed these things? I must be lucky.

I thought I'd be clever and wind the thing with a pick, which I eventually managed to do through a great deal of frustration only to find that the sensor was either defective out of the box, or was broken by my installation. Code 22.

I have a suspicion I screwed it up- that the sensor may be "clocked and locked" at the factory and that once installed you can actuate the throttle releasing the lock so it works. It's just not possible to rotate it into position from it's 'home' setting with those three pipe fittings in the way.

There's no youtube videos, the FSM and Haynes say nothing interesting about it, so I must have botched something. Well that's $35 down the drain anyway.
Back to top Go down
sherlock9c1




Posts : 2399
Join date : 2009-05-28
Location : Huntsville, AL

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeMon 17 Aug 2015, 12:59 am

Sorry I'm late... I just unbolted the old one and bolted on the new one and was done.
Back to top Go down
lamune

lamune


Posts : 868
Join date : 2014-05-09
Location : Seattle

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeMon 17 Aug 2015, 1:46 am

A brand new one, I assume?
Back to top Go down
jasonlachapelle

jasonlachapelle


Posts : 1160
Join date : 2011-01-24
Age : 41
Location : CFB Bagotville, QC.

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeMon 17 Aug 2015, 2:14 pm

straight R&R. I usually check it with a voltmeter afterwards to ensure 0 and 100% throttle are accurate.
Back to top Go down
lamune

lamune


Posts : 868
Join date : 2014-05-09
Location : Seattle

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeTue 18 Aug 2015, 1:49 am

Ok, I'll update this when I get another new one. I suspect a new unit is pre-set and I jacked it up when I put it in.
Back to top Go down
lamune

lamune


Posts : 868
Join date : 2014-05-09
Location : Seattle

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeWed 19 Aug 2015, 11:57 pm

Ok. Verified. A brand new unit has its position locked so that it can be installed. Once actuated, the sensor cannot (easily) be reinstalled if removed.

It would really have been nice if something in the FSM or Haynes manual had mentioned this.

So if you're reading this, when you get your new TPS be very careful when handling it. Don't forget the rubber donut. Install it carefully making sure to line it up correctly so the tang gets pushed in the right direction. You can see on the old one where the pushing action is happening. Install it carefully, I would then test it with an ohmmeter to make sure you get a reading off of it, then fully open the throttle and make sure the resistance changes between the center pin and one of the others.

New unit on left, old unit on right. Note the relative home position of each sensor is different.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Back to top Go down
jasonlachapelle

jasonlachapelle


Posts : 1160
Join date : 2011-01-24
Age : 41
Location : CFB Bagotville, QC.

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeFri 21 Aug 2015, 2:02 pm

lamune wrote:
It would really have been nice if something in the FSM or Haynes manual had mentioned this.

Don't take this the wrong way, but it doesn't mention it because it's pretty obvious for the intended users of the FSM. Hopefully someone can benefit from this, and you were able to bring back your defective TPS.
Back to top Go down
lamune

lamune


Posts : 868
Join date : 2014-05-09
Location : Seattle

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeFri 21 Aug 2015, 9:58 pm

Yep, I totally get that. And if you R&R without even paying attention you'd have no problems, but I'm far too curious for my own good almost all of the time.

Generally speaking a manual like this will call out things that can't be reused, whether it's seals or bolts or washers, etc. Seems kind of odd to me to not call out that the TPS cannot be re-installed, and is essentially destroyed upon removal. Pretty glaring omission if you ask me.
Back to top Go down
phantom 309

phantom 309


Posts : 5848
Join date : 2008-12-28
Age : 114

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeSat 22 Aug 2015, 8:11 am

lamune wrote:
but I'm far too curious for my own good almost all of time

Entertaining to read about you 'fixing' things,..

you usually get it right by the 2nd try,.
Back to top Go down
Andebe

Andebe


Posts : 3323
Join date : 2013-02-20
Age : 55
Location : Centerville, IN

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeSat 22 Aug 2015, 10:18 am

Nick,something told me you would make an appearance on this thread. Cool
Back to top Go down
lamune

lamune


Posts : 868
Join date : 2014-05-09
Location : Seattle

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeSat 22 Aug 2015, 12:22 pm

Very Happy

It's not just a car, it's a learning experience.
Back to top Go down
JaySS
Admin
JaySS


Posts : 430
Join date : 2009-01-06

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeSat 22 Aug 2015, 12:47 pm

lamune wrote:
Generally speaking a manual like this will call out things that can't be reused, whether it's seals or bolts or washers, etc. Seems kind of odd to me to not call out that the TPS cannot be re-installed, and is essentially destroyed upon removal. Pretty glaring omission if you ask me.

Enough already. They are absolutely reusable.

It's unfortunate that reinstalling the TPS is giving you trouble, but to make the blanket statement they cannot be re-installed is not even remotely accurate.

I remove & replace them all the time, you just slide them over the shaft and then rotate the housing to align the bolt holes.

I'm at a loss as to why someone talented enough to recognize the need, then select and install a DIP inverter (including what appears to be a voltage dividing resistor and tying unused inputs to ground) into a electrochromic mirror housing has so much trouble with inserting and aligning a throttle position sensor.

- J




Back to top Go down
lamune

lamune


Posts : 868
Join date : 2014-05-09
Location : Seattle

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeSat 22 Aug 2015, 2:21 pm

Hah! you make a persuasive argument. I could very well be mistaken.

Well, in any case I shouldn't make blanket statements. I have only one example to go by, and in my example there was no obvious way to reinstall the sensor once it's been tripped from what I'll call "storage position". It's entirely possible in other model years and component arrangements that reinstalling is trivial. I saw F-body YouTubers adjusting their TPSes with no difficultly, but their throttle body plumbing arrangement may be slightly different.

The three fittings on the throttle body - PCV, evap purge, and water- all extend out beyond the plane of the TPS. I couldn't get enough rotation on the tripped sensor to engage the tangs onto the shaft with those fittings in the way. If you can in your case, awesome. I tried. And tried. I couldn't get it lined up. In the storage position, the TPS goes straight on with no problems. I just dicked around with it to pre-test it not knowing it was locked in a special way, and that was dumb on my part. You can see from the pictures that the home position of new and used sensors is quite different- way more than the 5 or 6 degrees I could get before the sensor body is stopped by a pipe fitting.

Anyway, these may explain my case better than words. If there's another way, I'd be very happy to see it, it may save someone else some money.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Back to top Go down
phantom 309

phantom 309


Posts : 5848
Join date : 2008-12-28
Age : 114

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeSat 22 Aug 2015, 7:58 pm

perhaps if you open the throttle with your other hand?? What a Face
Back to top Go down
lamune

lamune


Posts : 868
Join date : 2014-05-09
Location : Seattle

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeSat 22 Aug 2015, 11:53 pm

Opening the throttle turns the shaft the wrong way. If there's a way to go past the closed stop and turn the plates the other direction, that would work. Maybe that's a method Jay is talking about. I didn't want to attempt it. Smile
Back to top Go down
phantom 309

phantom 309


Posts : 5848
Join date : 2008-12-28
Age : 114

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeSun 23 Aug 2015, 2:44 pm

K,... lets go back to square one,...

why you changing the tps??



Have you messed around with the throttle stop?

If you remove the intake boot,. can you see if the throttle blades are closing all the way?

Or has "someone" bent the throttle to stay open slightly more at idle?

"Somebody" might have given it more opening,.to cover up a different problem,. i.e stalling,.?


Back to top Go down
lamune

lamune


Posts : 868
Join date : 2014-05-09
Location : Seattle

LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitimeSun 23 Aug 2015, 8:01 pm

Oh, Nick, I already changed it, I'm just speculating as to how you could get a used sensor back on. I didn't touch the throttle stop, that seems like a bad idea to me.

As for the reason - I have a problem with the engine hesitating/stumbling from idle and the "chuggling" issue as the FSM calls it. The troubleshooting charts for both issues point to TPS and MAP issues as likely common causes for both issues, so I changed both.

I don't know if it solved the problem yet or not.
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content





LT1 throttle position sensor Empty
PostSubject: Re: LT1 throttle position sensor   LT1 throttle position sensor Icon_minitime

Back to top Go down
 
LT1 throttle position sensor
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» Throttle Body MM?
» 92 RMW touchy throttle
» Throttle body spacer
» Best way to clean throttle body?
» L05 Slight Throttle Issues

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
GM Longroof Forum :: Longroof Tech :: Engine-
Jump to: