IMPORTANT UPDATE on GP: Custom OTA rear exit pipes

I just bought a set of custom made rear exit 304 SS OTA pipes from Roger (Palamino on ISSF). 2.5" mandrel bent.
He sold it because it interferes with his class III hitch.






The bend at the end of the driver`s side is to make the exhaust symmetrical. I plan on cutting it off about 20" before the ends and adding the dynomax 24225/24226 resonators. I bought several sets when some guy was selling them for a cent on ebay. I am aware that the exhaust won't be perfectly symmetrical after that. I don't really care.

Now, there's a place in Ottawa -Stebro- that specializes in custom bending 304SS exhausts. When I receive the pipes, I'm heading down there to get another set made for my other wagon. Just as a feeler, how many people would be interested in getting a set made ? I can bring them down to WF to save on shipping. Yes, I realize you'll want a price before committing. I just want to have an idea if I'm wasting my time trying to setup a GP, and since 304SS is fairly expensive, if NO ONE is interested, I 'll have them make my personal copy once I lop off the ends.

If you are interested, post here and indicate whether or not you would want the "end bend" or a shortened version to use with resonators (resonators not included nor offered). I'll post more details, such as price, potential GP, availability of materials and turnaround time, and whether or not this will be a "one shot deal": I don't know if they have the capacity to store "bends". Once it's done, I'm lopping off the ends and putting them on the car. Permanently.

Of note:

1. 304SS is an expensive material. Don't act indignant when you find out it costs more than the mild steel dynomax OTA pipes.
2. I will not profit from this.
3. Exhaust won't work with class III hitch, possibly other classes.
4. You don't have to use a turndown tip.

Those look nice. They look like they were made of welded elbows and not mandrel bent?

I'm interested, but broke, good luck with them.

Mike

This set is made of welded mandrel bent elbows. The additional ones will be made of one segment of pipe.

Price it, I need new mufflers and a manifold bolt fixed so new exhaust may go with it.

Probably not. Shipping from Canada would be expensive, and I would have to take off the hitch.

But I'm still curious about the price. And I like the idea of putting Dynomax resonators on the tailpipe.

I'm interested. But have the pipes end just beyond the bumper with a regular straight cut. That way, the purchaser can either slash cut or lop off enough for a tip of their choosing. And less options will keep the cost down and interest up.

I'd even be interested in Mandrel Bent aluminized steel pipe.

toomanytoyz wrote:

But have the pipes end just beyond the bumper with a regular straight cut. That way, the purchaser can either slash cut or lop off enough for a tip of their choosing. And less options will keep the cost down and interest up.

I'd even be interested in Mandrel Bent aluminized steel pipe.

Good idea about end location.

Got the pipes today. I'll stop by Stebro this week.

Hmmm. 2.5" pipes for my new exhaust, or trailer hitch for my quad....

I stopped by Stebro today. Very nice installation. They do a lot of work for high end cars like Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc. The guy couldn't believe how long there was after the axle and was impressed with the job that Palamino did. Because the bends are so tight, he can't mandrel bend a single length of pipe into that shape. According to them, there's only one shop in Canada that MIGHT be able to do that. However, they can replicate the pipes in a few segments. He showed me some of their other work and they put so much care into the welds (grinding/polishing) that you can't tell they are there.

I inquired about a GP. The more material he orders, the better the discount he can get from his supplier, and he can pass it on to us. 304 SS is a very expensive material. When Roger mailed the pipes to me, he said someone at the post office overheard the "declared value" and offered to buy the pipes for scrap.

1 pair: $400
5 pairs: $350
10 pairs: $300

That's polished TIG welded polished 304SS. Taxes are included and I can deliver to WF or the Nats so no shipping. I make 0 profit on this. I'm getting a set regardless of participation. It takes a few days to make them. There might be some places in the USA that can do the job for a few bucks less, but shipping is prohibitive on these things. The price difference with 409 isn't worth it. It would be maybe 10% less. Aluminized is a no go.

If we can get 10 pairs, it's a very fair deal compared to CIA`s OTA aluminized slant cut kit. I've used it and don't like it. They send you a box of loose pipes with "some assembly required". There were no clamps in my box either so that added to the overall expense. I was never able to get a nice fit on any of the 3 wagons I tried them on. They exit WAY to close to the wheel. CIA charges $235 shipped if they can get 10 orders.


The guy was pretty easygoing... They're going to be hand made so if you want yours cut shorter and flared, so you can clamp on a resonator it's not more expensive. I left them some dynomax resonators so they will know the length. If you want it to go 90deg prior to the end in a "quasi horse-cock" to allow you to use a hitch, it's all good. If you were dead set on getting a side exit OTA kit, and Tim and I can arrange something between WF and the Nats, then the shop can accommodate as well.

Interested people please post and I'll update the list.

1. Self : rear exit
2. Chevyman: side exit
3. Crovo (pending 10 person price): rear exit
4. Steve H: side exit
5. Steve H: side exit
6. Badwaggy: rear exit
7. Matthimself (pending 10 pers price): rear exit
8. Tim's 95 wagon: stock (horsecock)
9. John P.: stock
10. John P.: stock



note: pipes carry a lifetime warranty[strike]

I'd be interested if we could get the 10 pricing. Any pictures on how they exit?

2nd pic from the top shows them exiting

will these be mandrel bent? I like the idea of Cia's exit behind the rear wheels. Little less pipe, no interference with a hitch of any kind. If they have to make these in multi piece how about a piece that turns to the side and a piece that goes to the back bumper option. This should make most everyone happy. I would be interested in a set. I am in Winnipeg so we are talking shipping here.

jasonlachapelle wrote:

If you want it to go 90deg prior to the end in a "quasi horse-cock" to allow you to use a hitch, it's all good. If you were dead set on getting a side exit OTA kit, and Tim and I can arrange something between WF and the Nats, then the shop can accommodate as well.

The "horse-cock" is name of the stock resonator shape. So if you want a 90 deg bend outward, you can get it.

I'm driving to Portage-la-Prairie, MB in late summer, so if you aren't in a hurry I can deliver them to you for free at that point.

mtrhead79 wrote:

2nd pic from the top shows them exiting

Gee.... Thanks. Cuz I hadn't seen that one.

I want a pic from behind the car, showing both pipes and where they exit. I think he knew that's what I meant.

I don`t have a 2nd photo. The DS pipe bends inwards so it exits at the same distance from the centre of the bumper as the one pictured.

Hey Jason. Can they be done like this- a little further from the wheel maybe? This is how CIA does it and it would cure the problem of hitches or anything else in the back like smooth bumpers, whatever. I'm definetly interested so put me down for a set. If you are coming to my part of the world in the summer and you have room thast illl work too. Flood waters will be down in Portage by summertime.

Ok heres the picture

toomanytoyz wrote:

mtrhead79 wrote:

2nd pic from the top shows them exiting

Gee.... Thanks. Cuz I hadn't seen that one.

I want a pic from behind the car, showing both pipes and where they exit. I think he knew that's what I meant.

sorry thought you did not see it

i think i like them to exit behind the tires also. might help me out coming out of driveway, my factory pipes hit a little

They can make side exits. I think slash cut to keep the cost down would be best. If you don't like it you can cut it straight and weld on a tip. I'm not interested in eating any of the cost of test fitting stuff to my wagon. I'll see if it's more convenient to borrow Tim's new OTA pipes or what I can do about using my own rear wheel exit OTA pipe and tweak it for fit.

are you both DEFINITELY interested in a side exit set ? as you can imagine, I don't want to run around getting quotes or trying to secure the OTA pipes for nothing.

I am not a fan of them exiting just after the tires.

toomanytoyz wrote:

I am not a fan of them exiting just after the tires.

neither am I. That's why I'm going from side-exit to rear-exit (also to add resonators). However, I talked to the shop and they can make the side-exit pipes. I will provide the model but it will be tweaked based on the photos of Tim's system. IF there is no additional cost, I will have them test fit (slip on only) to ensure proper fit with 275mm width tires.

They will be slightly less expensive due to using less material, but will still count towards the total of people in the GP. I also forgot to mention that the pipes carry a lifetime warranty. You simply can't use aluminized anywhere where there is moisture.

Get your names in early, I don't want to be scrambling just before WF.

we're on the road to 10 people. I'm waiting on model confirmation for a 7th person.

just to be clear, I don't mind shipping, as long as you realize it will be costly.

Hey Jason. How you doing on getting ten? You should probably have a cutoff date otherwise this could get dragged out forever. What are you using in front of the ota pipes on your wagon? What year is your wagon?

We'll go with June 15th. That will allow ample time to get the pipes made, with slush to slide to the right due to unforeseen circumstances. A 50% deposit will be required to start production, with the remainder payable when they are finished.

Don't miss your chance to get some awesome OTA pipes for your car. With the dozens of posts of people complaining about the lack of availability of parts, this is a great opportunity. Even modifying the dynomax pipes will set you back at least $200.

I left a deposit today for them to start production. The pricing will be $300 a pair, plus shipping or delivery to WF. That's VERY close to the aluminized less-than-ideal-fitting system offered by CIA. Stebro wanted to put in their order for materials, and said if there's a set or two that remain unsold for a few months it's ok. So there will be a few leftover sets. If you were on the fence about it, now is the time to claim them. Once they are gone, they are gone.

a 150$ minimum deposit is required. PM me for my paypal address. Please cover the paypal fees. 9 people making 2 payments each totaling $2700 adds approx $100 in fees. If you sent me a deposit and didn't cover the fees, it's not a huge issue, but please include them all in your final payment (or in person at WF).

Thats a hell of a deal Jason is offering to people. 304 Stainless steel is way better that 409 Stainless. Free to Wagonfest is a bonus to Americans cause shipping across the border usually is very expensive. Get off your asses people. No time to waffle now

jasonlachapelle wrote:

Even modifying the dynomax pipes will set you back at least $200.

And these are getting harder to find. Summit no longer lists them, same for Amazon. The price for them at RockAuto has doubled.

I'm going to require the remainder of the payments prior to pickup (14 July) in order to deliver them at WF. People who are ready to pay now can send the remainder of the funds the same way they sent the deposit. Please ensure I get the remainder by 14 July. I don't feel like chasing after people.

please include your screen name, forum, and exit style in the paypal notes.

A gentle reminder to have your $300 payment sent by 14 July. Please, let's not go through the individual PM game.

please include your screen name, forum, and exit style in the paypal notes.

chevy man, side exit, longroof. Payment sent last week

Hope everybody's paying up in a timely fashion for this deal.

I can't wait to get mine......WOOHOO!!!!

Gentlemen,
I just got advised (27 Jul at 1500 EDT) by Stebro that they did not receive a bulk discount from their supplier on the 304 pipe. They cannot honour their quote for $300 as their cost on a set of pipes is now $410. Stebro has admitted it was a screw-up on their part and is sending me a letter of apology, which I'll post up here. They are asking me to refund the buyers, which I will do. They cannot afford to take a loss on 10 sets of pipes. They will however honour their price for 3 sets as I already paid them them a $1000 deposit. In the extremely unlikely event that one of the GP members is still interested, sets beyond those three will climb to $425 ($15 over their cost). There is no restriction on the style of the pipes of the 3 sets.

I'd like to get an idea of who would voluntarily like to bow out of this. Please bear in mind that I can no longer attend WF due to situations beyond my control. Moreover, I believe Dan Ferarro at Clear Image Automotive will begin producing new OTA pipes for the wagon in the coming month. Those who want out can either let me know privately via PM or in this thread. If I can't get volunteers, people will be voluntold.

I understand your frustration at the situation. I am no happier about it than you are. Please rest assured anyone who payed or left a deposit will be issued a prompt refund.

Hey Jason. I'll take one of the three at $300 if they are side exit. Keep them in canada

Jason, I just saw your update on this deal. I sent you a PM on ISSF.com regarding this.

i know this is a old thread does anyone have pics of the side exit mounted? i am trying to put mine on and there is no mounts on the tails thx

Pm bigwagonguy.

I got stock style exit. I had a kit from cia that exited behind the wheel once. Iirc I had to weld a hanger onto the pipe.

the set i have are from john

I think only one other person got a set. Probably Chevy Man.

jason do yours go under the gas tank instead of around

Mine are routed exactly like the stock exhaust

mine go under the gas tank instead of going around it. basicly cutting the corner which leaves them pretty low,and it looks like the clock position of the muffler is out to use them. i am going to take it to muffler shop and see what they say