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+3convert2diesel Fred Kiehl rkmdogs 7 posters |
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rkmdogs
Posts : 179 Join date : 2011-03-23 Location : Lakeland, FL.
| Subject: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:22 pm | |
| I would like to buy a RM front seat armrest, in gray, that has the 2 pc cover, and the compartment & cup holders to fit my '95 Caprice wagon. I understand that these only came on the Roadmaster models, but that they will interchange with the one that came with my wagon. This is the fold-down center armrest for the '94-'96 models. My interior is cloth but I will also consider a vinyl one of the color is the same. Contact me at: rkmdogs@tampabay.rr.com with pics and price. Thanks, and BTW it should be in the States, as I do not use paypal! | |
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Fred Kiehl
Posts : 7282 Join date : 2009-11-13 Age : 76 Location : Largo, FL 33774
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:38 pm | |
| There is a 94 RMS in the Tampa LKQ that may have a gray interior. I do not remember what the arm rest was like. The car may be a little difficult to access because it has heavy damage in the rear. You need a #3 phillips to remove the bolts to access the arm rest. | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:09 pm | |
| They also came in Cadillac Fleetwoods from 93-96 |
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rkmdogs
Posts : 179 Join date : 2011-03-23 Location : Lakeland, FL.
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:51 am | |
| Nobody has an armrest for sale? I found a very high-priced one on e-Bay, but it is the wrong color! Somebody please help..... | |
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convert2diesel
Posts : 958 Join date : 2009-01-05 Age : 72 Location : Manotick, Ontario
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:25 am | |
| Not sure of the Chevy but the Roadies and the Caddys had the two piece only on the TBI cars (91=93). After 94 they both had the one piece with that useless cupholder that flipped out of the armrest.
They are interchangable but you should be looking in 91 to 93 cars. Don' t worry about the color. SEM makes the right color for your car and it only takes about 1/2 hour to prep and re-paint it.
Bill | |
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silverfox103 Moderator
Posts : 3370 Join date : 2008-11-05 Age : 75 Location : Littleton, NH & St. Simons, GA
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:45 am | |
| The 94 Roadmasters, sedan and wagon, were two piece also. I have / had two 94's.
Tom C. | |
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Cadet57
Posts : 3047 Join date : 2010-04-13 Age : 37 Location : Chicopee, MA
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:14 pm | |
| Also, 95 was a split year. Some cars got the two piece others got the one piece. | |
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convert2diesel
Posts : 958 Join date : 2009-01-05 Age : 72 Location : Manotick, Ontario
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:40 pm | |
| - silverfox103 wrote:
- The 94 Roadmasters, sedan and wagon, were two piece also. I have / had two 94's.
Tom C. Wish I'd known that a year ago. Was looking for a two piece for the 94 Caddy. Ended up painting up the tan one from the locomotive. Bill | |
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Pleasure Trip
Posts : 16 Join date : 2011-08-22
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:32 pm | |
| - convert2diesel wrote:
- After 94 they both had the one piece with that useless cupholder that flipped out of the armrest.
I use my useless cupholder everyday! Put tapes and CDs inside the armrest too. Id like a new armrest, its looking a little worn these days. | |
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rkmdogs
Posts : 179 Join date : 2011-03-23 Location : Lakeland, FL.
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:36 am | |
| Got one! It's blue in color but went to the paint shop & they found me a SEMS dye to match my gray seats. After I get it re-colored and installed, I'll have my homemade one available, if somebody would like it, let me know. Thanks for all the info and leads ---- found this one on e-Bay, from a good guy in Mich.! | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:39 pm | |
| Congrats Rob on finally finding what you wanted.Post some pictures when done.I have a tan armrest with the solid lid and a sport steering wheel to dye when I get my butt in any gear other than park! Jim |
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rkmdogs
Posts : 179 Join date : 2011-03-23 Location : Lakeland, FL.
| Subject: Console Conversion completed Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:22 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:43 pm | |
| Looks pretty good "Dude"I am so confused so will just call you dude Bob!Looks great with your cloth seats too. Jim |
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rkmdogs
Posts : 179 Join date : 2011-03-23 Location : Lakeland, FL.
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:28 pm | |
| - Flasheroo wrote:
- Looks pretty good "Dude"I am so confused so will just call you dude Bob!Looks great with your cloth seats too.
Jim Thanks Jim. BTW, I forgot to mention, the wood console that I made is a "freebe" if someone wants it, and the original cloth-covered, no compartment armrest is available-- but that one would be a sale item! It is in great shape, but I messed the bracket paint putting it back on the old mount, so I'll even throw in the rest of the SEM spray that I still have! Ya, Bob is with one "O" is my nickname ----- the one with two "O"s is an anatomy definition --at best! | |
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| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:00 pm | |
| Bob,your wooden armrest reminds me of one my dad made when he was a salesman way back in the 60s.He actually made them for his friends after they saw his.I still have his in the attic used to the point where you can see where his arm rested during those long road trips.Full lenght piano hinge and all.He was a heavy smoker and had built a full width ashtray into the top of his.Your steering wheel isnt original is it?Dont recall seeing a caprice wheel with the swollen thumb rests before seeing yours. Jim |
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rkmdogs
Posts : 179 Join date : 2011-03-23 Location : Lakeland, FL.
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:25 pm | |
| - Flasheroo wrote:
- Bob,your wooden armrest reminds me of one my dad made when he was a salesman way back in the 60s.He actually made them for his friends after they saw his.I still have his in the attic used
to the point where you can see where his arm rested during those long road trips.Full lenght piano hinge and all.He was a heavy smoker and had built a full width ashtray into the top of his.Your steering wheel isnt original is it?Dont recall seeing a caprice wheel with the swollen thumb rests before seeing yours. Jim It is as far as I know Jim. The only thing I added was the wheel cover, since as you well know, Caprice wheels do not hold their color! My '95 9C1 Caprice suffered from the same condition, and I did the same thing! | |
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| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:54 pm | |
| Guess you can learn something new everyday with these cars.I got my blue sport wheel last week and still havent decide if I should paint it or just put a wheelskin on it. Jim |
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Lynol
Posts : 768 Join date : 2010-06-29 Age : 41 Location : Central New Jersey
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:37 am | |
| Hey Bob, even though it hasn't been that long, I was wondering how the paint on the armrest is holding up? I'm thinking about adding one of the compartment armrests to my OCC, since the cupholder in the OCC's dash is only good for soda cans and open topped ceramic coffee mugs (that's what the owners manuals shows!). Also, did you have to do any modifications to get the RM armrest to bolt up, or was it a direct fit? | |
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Fred Kiehl
Posts : 7282 Join date : 2009-11-13 Age : 76 Location : Largo, FL 33774
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:52 pm | |
| All of the armrests bolt to the seat from below the seat. There are 4 nuts that hold the pivot to the seat frame. They are all the same.
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rkmdogs
Posts : 179 Join date : 2011-03-23 Location : Lakeland, FL.
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:08 pm | |
| - Lynol wrote:
- Hey Bob, even though it hasn't been that long, I was wondering how the paint on the armrest is holding up? I'm thinking about adding one of the compartment armrests to my OCC, since the cupholder in the OCC's dash is only good for soda cans and open topped ceramic coffee mugs (that's what the owners manuals shows!). Also, did you have to do any modifications to get the RM armrest to bolt up, or was it a direct fit?
I have had no problems with the finish nor the operation since the install. I left the original armrest bracket attached and made the switch with the two pivot screws. One went in fairly easy, but the other one, I had to "fish" for a while to find the hole and align the bolt threads with it! Drivers side was the easy one, passenger side the harder one. TIP: make sure that you recline both seat backs as far as they will go. This exposes the pivot holes---- partially. The drivers side one is clear and easy to see. The passenger side one is not clear, and blocked by the seatback cushion, so you sorta have to do this one blind, by feel mostly. You need either a 'shorty" phillips screwdriver, or a very long one to get away from the seatback. Still have the original grey solid armrest available, as well as the wooden console that I made. I won't be going to the wagonfest at Daytona, so if somebody wants either one, contact me here! | |
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rkmdogs
Posts : 179 Join date : 2011-03-23 Location : Lakeland, FL.
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:22 pm | |
| Forgot to mention one other very important point! There are black plastic pivot washers that go between the armrest and the bracket. They have a specific orientation to allow for the pivoting of the armrest from the up to down position! Pay attention to their orientation! They have to align with the pivot stop pins in each side of the armrest! Takes a little bit of patience, but don't leave them out, or major wear can occur! | |
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Cadet57
Posts : 3047 Join date : 2010-04-13 Age : 37 Location : Chicopee, MA
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:58 pm | |
| - rkmdogs wrote:
- Forgot to mention one other very important point!
There are black plastic pivot washers that go between the armrest and the bracket. They have a specific orientation to allow for the pivoting of the armrest from the up to down position! Pay attention to their orientation! They have to align with the pivot stop pins in each side of the armrest! Takes a little bit of patience, but don't leave them out, or major wear can occur! I doubt that "major wear" is going to occur. I broke one taking them out and never put them back in. Been in the car for two years and no catastrophic failure... Also, I dont think those really do anything besides cover up the holes in the armrest. | |
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Fred Kiehl
Posts : 7282 Join date : 2009-11-13 Age : 76 Location : Largo, FL 33774
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:02 pm | |
| I have taken the armrests off both ways, and unbolting the bracket by removing 4 nuts from the seat only takes about 5 minutes vs. removing the pivot screws takes about 20 minutes, and you can destroy the nylon bushings while removing the arm rest. You do not have to monkey around with reclining the seats, just loosen with a socket, and use your fingers to remove the nuts.
The pivot screws are #3 phillips.
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rkmdogs
Posts : 179 Join date : 2011-03-23 Location : Lakeland, FL.
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:37 am | |
| Different strokes for different folks! I was asked to report on my experience, which I did, and offered some suggestions to make the job easier. I chose to leave the orginal mtg. bracket in my car because it was in better shape than the one that came with the new armrest. Removing that bracket may be easier for some, but as I observed, it would have been a blind job, and not knowing the condition of those bolts, I preferred to do the install where I could see what I had to do! That was my choice--- with no regrets. | |
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rkmdogs
Posts : 179 Join date : 2011-03-23 Location : Lakeland, FL.
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:43 am | |
| - Cadet57 wrote:
- I doubt that "major wear" is going to occur. I broke one taking them out and never put them back in. Been in the car for two years and no catastrophic failure... Also, I dont think those really do anything besides cover up the holes in the armrest.
Ah youth! Those pivot washers are to prevent wear of the upholstry, if you have cloth seats! On the vinyl, it may not become as apparent, when you raise and lower the armrest frequently. If they were not necessary, the factory would not have put them in, in the first place! | |
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Lynol
Posts : 768 Join date : 2010-06-29 Age : 41 Location : Central New Jersey
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:17 am | |
| Thanks for the information folks. Bob, I imagine the reason why you removed the armrest from the pivot bolts was because you had to paint the console. Really no other way to paint it without taking that off. I'm probably going to do the same thing, but with the newer once piece top console (much safer cup holders) so it will have to painted to match my '92. For everyone's info not all GM armrests can be unbolted and re-bolted from the pivot points; I tried this when I swapped out the armrest in my '98 Park Avenue. Big mistake -the threads on the inside of the armrest that the pivot bolts go into are actually nuts, and by loosening the pivot bolts the nuts spin, and well, you're screwed since you cant get into the inside of the armrest to hold the nuts down while you tighten it. I guess the armrest was attached to the bracket before the inside of the armrest console was glued into place. Glad it's not that way on our cars! | |
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rkmdogs
Posts : 179 Join date : 2011-03-23 Location : Lakeland, FL.
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:14 pm | |
| - Lynol wrote:
- Thanks for the information folks. Bob, I imagine the reason why you removed the armrest from the pivot bolts was because you had to paint the console. Really no other way to paint it without taking that off.
Yep!!!! Also, that was the instruction that I had previously received on this website! | |
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Cadet57
Posts : 3047 Join date : 2010-04-13 Age : 37 Location : Chicopee, MA
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:23 pm | |
| - rkmdogs wrote:
- Cadet57 wrote:
- I doubt that "major wear" is going to occur. I broke one taking them out and never put them back in. Been in the car for two years and no catastrophic failure... Also, I dont think those really do anything besides cover up the holes in the armrest.
Ah youth! Those pivot washers are to prevent wear of the upholstry, if you have cloth seats! On the vinyl, it may not become as apparent, when you raise and lower the armrest frequently. If they were not necessary, the factory would not have put them in, in the first place! Ah arrogance! It has nothing to do with age pal. It has everything to do with the fact that I have FROM EXPERIENCE found that the black washers make no difference on cloth or vinyl seats. The armrest started in my car, and is now in my brothers car without problem. Pray tell, how did you come to the conclusion that "catastrophic failure" will occur? Will my seat suddenly disintegrate under the sheer torque of that armrest? I doubt it. | |
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rkmdogs
Posts : 179 Join date : 2011-03-23 Location : Lakeland, FL.
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:56 pm | |
| - Cadet57 wrote:
- rkmdogs wrote:
- Cadet57 wrote:
- I doubt that "major wear" is going to occur. I broke one taking them out and never put them back in. Been in the car for two years and no catastrophic failure... Also, I dont think those really do anything besides cover up the holes in the armrest.
Ah youth! Those pivot washers are to prevent wear of the upholstry, if you have cloth seats! On the vinyl, it may not become as apparent, when you raise and lower the armrest frequently. If they were not necessary, the factory would not have put them in, in the first place! Ah arrogance! It has nothing to do with age pal. It has everything to do with the fact that I have FROM EXPERIENCE found that the black washers make no difference on cloth or vinyl seats. The armrest started in my car, and is now in my brothers car without problem. Pray tell, how did you come to the conclusion that "catastrophic failure" will occur? Will my seat suddenly disintegrate under the sheer torque of that armrest? I doubt it. Watch who you blast! I did not use the word "catastrophic" --- Cadet 57 did! With your "experience", I guess we should just call you "lucky"! Why do you suppose that the factory engineers, who designed this set-up put them in there in the first place? Bean counters would not have let them do it ---"just to cover a hole." Hmm-m-m? | |
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rkmdogs
Posts : 179 Join date : 2011-03-23 Location : Lakeland, FL.
| Subject: Re: Front seat armrest w/ compartment Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:22 pm | |
| I gave the grey solid original armrest to the guy who bought my wagon, but I still have the "custom" home-made wooden one, if somebody would like it! It is a "freebie" but need to pick it up --- not worth the $$ to ship! | |
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