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PostSubject: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeThu May 03, 2012 6:44 pm

So, I'm curious. Dad and I went to the auto parts store to look for some VC gaskets. All they had was rubber, but he insisted we should get cork. He said it was because the cork ones expand and seal better than the rubber ones?


So we headed home, and I pulled my VCs so I could clean/paint them, and found rubber gaskets.... that looked pretty new. However you COULD plainly see where they were leaking. Is he right? If so, why don't they sell cork gaskets at the stores (we went to Advance and NAPA).

Thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeThu May 03, 2012 7:20 pm

Rubber are better. Your dad is old. lol
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeThu May 03, 2012 7:26 pm

Cork is better! I am old. lol

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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeThu May 03, 2012 7:31 pm

The steel core rubber ones are the best.
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeThu May 03, 2012 7:34 pm

The rubber coated cork centers are the best and thats thats!
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeThu May 03, 2012 7:45 pm

rubbers have kept me out of trouble before.... oh sorry wrong subject um i put rubber gaskets on mine when i got my chrome covers 4 months ago no problems yet
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeThu May 03, 2012 9:54 pm

RTV is the best,

people always over tighten valve covers,.
cork deteriorates with heat and oil,.oil will eventually migrate thru the cork,.

Model T is the only car you need to have. all the others are just superfluous.

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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeThu May 03, 2012 10:45 pm

Alright then, rubber it is.

Oddly enough, the only place I found that sold cork valve cover gaskets charges like $10 more for them. What gives?
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeThu May 03, 2012 11:44 pm

What gives? They are preying on the old timers that think cork is better....


And, for the record, I agree 100% with Nick. RTV and your old gasket is best.
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeFri May 04, 2012 12:07 am

What color RTV? Black?
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeFri May 04, 2012 8:06 am

Nick, I disagree, the Model A was a big improvemant.
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeFri May 04, 2012 8:41 am

I use Felpro silicone gaskets and I've never had a problem.
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeFri May 04, 2012 8:45 am

As do I, with aluminum aftermarket covers from Edelbrock. I even use the spreader bars to help clamp it down. but still see a few drips from time to time
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeFri May 04, 2012 11:17 am

Rubber gasketing got a bad rap <{(in olden times)}> because it used REAL rubber (from the plant) as it's major constituent.
Oil rots real rubber. Today, all 'rubber' is synthetic.
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeFri May 04, 2012 2:45 pm

Ah. I see.


So what color RTV? Also, why keep the old gasket? When I took the cover off, you could clearly see where the oil had leaked past.
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I use black RTV.

I use the old gasket *just because*. No real reason, just do. The RTV will seal where it leaked before anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeFri May 04, 2012 8:05 pm

So RTV -> Gasket -> Valve cover.

Or Gasket -> RTV -> Valve cover (I assume this one? lol)
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeFri May 04, 2012 8:49 pm

THIN coat of RTV, gasket, THIN coat of RTV

RTV is a gasket filler and adhesive.
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeFri May 04, 2012 9:17 pm

I'll disagree. First step, get your valve covers completely clean on the gasket surface. Then, put them on a flat table (glass is good) to check to see if the flange is warped. If they are, you will never get them to seal. If bent, straighten. If good, run a THIN layer of RTV around the flange, then put the gasket on that. Let the RTV completely dry. When ready to install, clean the sealing edge of your heads, then put the covers on. No RTV between the gasket and the head. DON'T tighten too much! Just snug, then about an 1/8th of a turn. Just enough to pull the covers down on the gasket.
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeFri May 04, 2012 9:35 pm

A new rubber gasket has been working just fine for years now.

RTV sucks.
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeFri May 04, 2012 10:22 pm

jayoldschool wrote:
I'll disagree. First step, get your valve covers completely clean on the gasket surface. Then, put them on a flat table (glass is good) to check to see if the flange is warped. If they are, you will never get them to seal. If bent, straighten. If good, run a THIN layer of RTV around the flange, then put the gasket on that. Let the RTV completely dry. When ready to install, clean the sealing edge of your heads, then put the covers on. No RTV between the gasket and the head. DON'T tighten too much! Just snug, then about an 1/8th of a turn. Just enough to pull the covers down on the gasket.

Fair enough.

The covers aren't warped, thankfully. I checked that when I pulled them off.

Continuing paint prep tomorrow, hopefully will be finished and they'll be on so I can have my car back.
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeSat May 05, 2012 1:51 am

Another way (the best one) is to install a thin bead of RTV on the head and on the cover, set the cover on the head with or without a gasket (preferably with) and run the screws down barely finger tight. Let set overnight, then tighten screws (after RTV has been 'shaped' and has set).
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeSat May 05, 2012 7:17 am

No RTV with a rubber/silicone gasket. The RTV will act as a lubricant and force the gasket to be squeezed out when the valve covers are tightened down. Although the way jimbeau has describe his installation process it could work. For the sake of time constraints, working at a dealership, I never had the luxury of time like that. If you choose to use an RTV I would recommend.

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The only pia issue with RTV is that both surfaces have to be COMPLETELY clean, or it will not adhere, and oil will seep out.
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeSat May 05, 2012 12:11 pm

off subject here but do i see the scooby doo mystery vanin gmtechs avatar??
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Yes you do.
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thought so my step mother loved scooby and i built a model of it for her birthday when i was young.
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PostSubject: Re: Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber?   Valve Cover Gaskets - cork or rubber? Icon_minitimeSat May 05, 2012 1:12 pm

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The RTV will act as a lubricant and force the gasket to be squeezed out when the valve covers are tightened down.

Unless you do it like I said, and glue the gasket to the cover and let it completely dry. Works every time.
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jayoldschool wrote:
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The RTV will act as a lubricant and force the gasket to be squeezed out when the valve covers are tightened down.

Unless you do it like I said, and glue the gasket to the cover and let it completely dry. Works every time.

With the luxury of time on ones side, methods such as those work perfectly every time, as you have stated.
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I have time. Smile
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