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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
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81X11

Posts : 9876 Join date : 2010-06-23 Age : 46 Location : Round Rock Texas
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:02 pm | |
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DBeaSSt Admin

Posts : 2520 Join date : 2008-11-04 Age : 50 Location : Front Royal, VA
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:27 pm | |
| Nice! And my second favorite color too! | |
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bamalongroof

Posts : 761 Join date : 2013-08-23 Age : 67 Location : Huntsville, AL
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:05 pm | |
| Nice pair you have there..... | |
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rabalc

Posts : 151 Join date : 2014-02-01 Age : 52 Location : Mantorville MN
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:50 pm | |
| very nice, cant wait to see more, didn't winter just get done | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:11 pm | |
| - bamalongroof wrote:
- Nice pair you have there.....
Isn't that a pick up line? | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:13 pm | |
| - rabalc wrote:
- very nice, cant wait to see more, didn't winter just get done
Winter may be gone but it sure is not forgotten in my mind. | |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:14 pm | |
| The illness has began,beautiful caddy too! |
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MalibuSSwagon
Posts : 580 Join date : 2014-01-12 Location : NH
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:19 am | |
| Jealous! I would love a Triple Black Fleetwood myself.. | |
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Mark 96 Roady
Posts : 785 Join date : 2012-06-30 Age : 62 Location : Cleveland/Ft Myers Beach FL
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:59 pm | |
| We should start a poll. How many of us own both a Fleetwood and a wagon? | |
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bamalongroof

Posts : 761 Join date : 2013-08-23 Age : 67 Location : Huntsville, AL
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:32 pm | |
| - kadonte wrote:
- bamalongroof wrote:
- Nice pair you have there.....
Isn't that a pick up line? Yes.... I saw a nice white fleetwood today local to me with a driver maybe in his 80's went to go look for his home but didn't find it but its a small town..... Jeff | |
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brokecello Moderator

Posts : 3458 Join date : 2009-05-28 Age : 42 Location : Greenville, SC
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:12 am | |
| Congrats! Eager to see what you do with it!
Chris | |
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Sprocket

Posts : 5789 Join date : 2008-11-04 Location : Palm Beach County
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:27 pm | |
| - bamalongroof wrote:
- kadonte wrote:
- bamalongroof wrote:
- Nice pair you have there.....
Isn't that a pick up line? Yes.... I saw a nice white fleetwood today local to me with a driver maybe in his 80's went to go look for his home but didn't find it but its a small town..... Jeff y'all beat me to it, lol nice caddy btw. I'm also a dual citizen  | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:09 pm | |
| I placed the new addition in an open section of the shop. I got it as high as needed to be able to work under it. If I were a seasoned car guy I would be able to judge whether I am in a win or lose position with the Fleetwood. I thought I may solicit opinions, advice and recommendations from you who are more knowledgeable. I have been over the entire car and have found a few rust areas that I need to fix. The areas are sporadic on the floor pan. I scraped from front to rear and have found 4 or 5 pin holes that could be poked through. I feel confident that I can cut out those areas and weld new metal in, and seal the underside with rust encapsulator and coat with a spray rubber coating. Frame is solid with surface rust. The sheet metal and paint as well as the vinyl top are in overall good to excellent condition. Interior is excellent. Mechanically, it was a one owner car and serviced throughout it's life at a Cadillac dealer. The engine has 155k miles, no leaks aside from a weeping oil cooler line and a visible almost drip of coolant from the front seal of the water pump, one brake line replace and by the looks of it the other needs replacing also. Posi rear end was replaced within the past 20k miles. Remainder of services were performed like clock work and all records from the dealer are with the car. It runs, shifts and rides as it should. The entire front end steering components have been replaced within the last 6 months. New tires all around. The Fleetwood is a tow optioned car but has never had a hitch put on. It is a clean Carfax car, stored most winters. It was owned by a 78 year old couple. My original plan/goal is to repair and seal the under carriage, spot repair paint chips, buff and polish. Mechanically I am replacing oil cooler lines, front shocks, water pump and broken bolts on the exhaust manifold. As with the Roadmaster, it will be stored in the shop from October through May, and used a little in the summer months. About 300 miles or so I would imagine judging what mileage I put on the Roadmaster. I plan on keeping the Fleetwood and the Roadmaster just in case they may be a hoot for my kids or grand kids. Now with all that litany said, the question is whether to stick the time and money into this Fleetwood as a "keeper", or to look for a better conditioned and lower mileage car. I paid 2500 for the car, and assume that was a good price for the vehicle I got. so....Opinions? Thanks in advance. Â Â            | |
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bamalongroof

Posts : 761 Join date : 2013-08-23 Age : 67 Location : Huntsville, AL
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:28 pm | |
| I'll chime in with one opinion to me the service history and being a one owner car is worth about 2 grand of saved aggravation and repair. So in my mind you got a car that can be a keeper with your skills on the wagon this looks as though it is not beyond your talents. Jeff | |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:10 pm | |
| Unload this caddy for 2500 and start looking for a cherry rust free car from the south.Save yourself all that work and start with a rust free car to make your own.This car is going to take a lot of work just to fix those holes,by the way I want to see what your PINS as in "pin holes" look like because those are 3 finger holes at the least. |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:36 pm | |
| - Flasheroo wrote:
- Unload this caddy for 2500 and start looking for a cherry rust free car from the south.Save yourself all that work and start with a rust free car to make your own.This car is going to take a lot of work just to fix those holes,by the way I want to see what your PINS as in "pin holes" look like because those are 3 finger holes at the least.
I don't want to brag, but I do have big pins....... I should have expounded on that sentence. They began as poking through as pin holes.....and got a bit bigger. But they are all surrounded by nice metal. Appreciate your input | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:37 pm | |
| - bamalongroof wrote:
- I'll chime in with one opinion to me the service history and being a one owner car is worth about 2 grand of saved aggravation and repair. So in my mind you got a car that can be a keeper with your skills on the wagon this looks as though it is not beyond your talents. Jeff
Thanks for the insight. | |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:43 pm | |
| Whatever you do please take some shots of these 2 cars together once all cleaned up! |
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phantom 309

Posts : 5824 Join date : 2008-12-28 Age : 111
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:04 pm | |
| Do want you want,.. you will anyway,.. To me being from the north east,. those are just small drainage holes,.  Looks like a decent car,. people seem to obsess about the underside of their cars,. i,ve been to a lot of get togethers,. and i haven't spent anytime looking under cars,.. the car came with the 3:42 gears? if so it must be really nice to drive,.. Nick really suffering these days from fleetwood envy,.. | |
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rabalc

Posts : 151 Join date : 2014-02-01 Age : 52 Location : Mantorville MN
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:05 pm | |
| After seeing what you did with your RM I would think you will have no problem getting the Fleetwood repaired.  Reminds me of my first car, 1966 Caprice 2 door ht, had pinholes like that, but the frame was rusted so bad the lower control arm let loose on the way to the drive in with six of us in it.  Wish I had that car today. Here is a pic of me in 1985 working on my pinholes    | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:53 am | |
| - phantom 309 wrote:
- Do want you want,.. Â you will anyway,..Â
A Jack Kerouac moment, or sage advice of Parmenides of Elea?  | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
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phantom 309

Posts : 5824 Join date : 2008-12-28 Age : 111
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:37 pm | |
| - kadonte wrote:
- phantom 309 wrote:
- Do want you want,.. Â you will anyway,..Â
A Jack Kerouac moment, or sage advice of Parmenides of Elea?  more towards niki tolstoy,. | |
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benn

Posts : 557 Join date : 2011-12-22 Location : Ontario, Canada
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:10 am | |
| that rust is nothing on the fleetwood. looks like a clean car to me. cut and weld or pack and fill, its not that hard. id say you got a good deal. | |
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Mark 96 Roady
Posts : 785 Join date : 2012-06-30 Age : 62 Location : Cleveland/Ft Myers Beach FL
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:38 pm | |
| I'd say that one is a keeper. After what you did to the Roady this one should not be a challenge. For me the fact that it has an excellent service history outweighs the minor rust.I'm also a big fan of really clean interiors, as they are much more difficult to repair than some minor rust. My Fleetwood was a one owner car that was well cared for, and 4 years later, it is still a very reliable car.Besides, if you got a rust free car, what would you do over the winter? | |
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Mark 96 Roady
Posts : 785 Join date : 2012-06-30 Age : 62 Location : Cleveland/Ft Myers Beach FL
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:36 am | |
| I had another thought. Your color (any color,really) looks great with the factory chrome wheels. I got lucky and got mine for $300 delivered from a junk yard in Pittsburgh to my house in Florida. Also, I really love the slightly wider white walls of the Runway Enduro tires. They ride great, and at $70 or so each are a smokin' deal. | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:55 pm | |
| - Mark 96 Roady wrote:
- I had another thought. Your color (any color,really) looks great with the factory chrome wheels. I got lucky and got mine for $300 delivered from a junk yard in Pittsburgh to my house in Florida. Also, I really love the slightly wider white walls of the Runway Enduro tires. They ride great, and at $70 or so each are a smokin' deal.
Thanks for the input. It is a nice car, and looking on-line produces nicer conditioned cars but out of the price range that I would be willing to pay. Dollar wise it seems that I got a pretty fair car for the model and year. So on with the project with it this winter. I would love to find a set of chrome rims at that kind of price point. Any I have located have been too expensive to make it feasible. | |
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Mark 96 Roady
Posts : 785 Join date : 2012-06-30 Age : 62 Location : Cleveland/Ft Myers Beach FL
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:52 pm | |
| Make sure if you do find some chrome rims that you get the center caps as well. The non chrome centers fit, and look virtually the same, but the outer ring is chrome for chrome wheels, and brushed for the brushed wheels. When I first bought mine I didn't want to spend the extra $75 for the 4 center caps, but once I put the brushed centers on the chrome wheels I changed my mind and bought the correct ones. Boy am I glad I did because I found out later they are like hen's teeth. And, I re read your wagon build last night again, and I had an idea that by now you may have figured out, but I thought I'd mention. Any time you do automotive painting, always have a second gun just for priming. It doesn't even have to be an expensive gun, but as you obviously learned the hard way, a little bit of primer in your top coat really does not look so good! | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:45 pm | |
| - Mark 96 Roady wrote:
- Make sure if you do find some chrome rims that you get the center caps as well. The non chrome centers fit, and look virtually the same, but the outer ring is chrome for chrome wheels, and brushed for the brushed wheels. When I first bought mine I didn't want to spend the extra $75 for the 4 center caps, but once I put the brushed centers on the chrome wheels I changed my mind and bought the correct ones. Boy am I glad I did because I found out later they are like hen's teeth. And, I re read your wagon build last night again, and I had an idea that by now you may have figured out, but I thought I'd mention. Any time you do automotive painting, always have a second gun just for priming. It doesn't even have to be an expensive gun, but as you obviously learned the hard way, a little bit of primer in your top coat really does not look so good!
I now have two guns...................and a few new words in my vocabulary, thanks. | |
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Sprocket

Posts : 5789 Join date : 2008-11-04 Location : Palm Beach County
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:01 pm | |
| late to the dance, but looks good, just fix the holes and move on. Agree 100% on the service history part. | |
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stewzer55

Posts : 730 Join date : 2013-11-10 Age : 31 Location : Columbus, Ohio
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:18 pm | |
| 3.42 gears? Is this a V4P (tow pack) car? If so, it's pretty rare. | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:30 pm | |
| - stewzer55 wrote:
- 3.42 gears? Is this a V4P (tow pack) car? If so, it's pretty rare.
Well that's good to know, cloud lining is getting more silver as I go along. Thanks. | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:31 pm | |
| - Sprocket wrote:
- late to the dance, but looks good, just fix the holes and move on. Â Agree 100% on the service history part. Â
Great Mr. Sprocket, Thanks. | |
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Big Wagon Guy

Posts : 349 Join date : 2010-02-15 Location : Wasaga Beach Ontario
 | Subject: My Wagon was lonely...so Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:02 pm | |
| I think you got yourself a great deal, as already mentioned a nice interior and solid maintenance history are pluses. Sure there are cleaner rust free examples out there...but your going to pay for them. Another option is to find a southern car in the same colors and transfer your soft bits onto it...and then sell your "rusty" one with the southern cars soft bits. Of course if you elected to go that route you would not have a winter project and we would not be able to enjoy your build pictures/posts....so just go ahead and fix that one  Check the SPID if its a factory 3.42 car then its fairly rare and in the fastest color! Factory chrome rims are a must...they will pop against the DCM. Can't wait to see the progress pictures and the end result. | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:07 pm | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
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phantom 309

Posts : 5824 Join date : 2008-12-28 Age : 111
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Sat Feb 07, 2015 3:16 pm | |
| perfect,...as long as water stays out,. passengers stay in,.. its all good,. put down a layer of ice shield before the carpet,. | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:47 pm | |
| And so it came to pass that the Fleetwood is as done as I am going to get it. All the issues I could find were addressed as I found them. All in all it is a good well taken care of vehicle I believe. It sports a new front suspension, front shocks, brakes, water pump, power steering high pressure hose set, new tires all around, rear brakes, all rust areas (2 total) repaired and sealed, rust scale removed, sprayed with rust converter, sealed and undercoated with rubber sealant. Body has been compound buffed, polished and waxed. All chips have been touched up, Vinyl top cleaned and treated with 303. Clean Carfax one owner before me, and service records provided by his Cadillac dealer. Interior leather treated and conditioned, feels good. Now it's on to the next project search........                                 | |
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silverfox103 Moderator

Posts : 3183 Join date : 2008-11-05 Age : 71 Location : Littleton, NH & St. Simons, GA
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:23 pm | |
| You've been busy this winter and the Caddy looks great!
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buickestate Moderator

Posts : 3301 Join date : 2008-11-04 Age : 56 Location : Chatham Ontario
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:24 pm | |
| you got her all fixed up and looking nice | |
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phantom 309

Posts : 5824 Join date : 2008-12-28 Age : 111
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:49 pm | |
| Nice job,..kudo's for your patience, and attention to detail,.
I have so wanted a fleetwood for so long,.
white with burgundy first choice,.
dcm and burgundy like yours second choice,. | |
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Sprocket

Posts : 5789 Join date : 2008-11-04 Location : Palm Beach County
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:18 pm | |
| two questions
1. what color did you use of the rub strips 2. how did you prep the surface of same?
Mine were painted silver and they are all flaking off now.
Car looks fantastic btw
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Andebe

Posts : 3323 Join date : 2013-02-20 Age : 51 Location : Marion,NC
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:51 am | |
| Very nice ride. I see even the Cricket digs the new Caddy. | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:18 pm | |
| - Andebe wrote:
- Very nice ride. I see even the Cricket digs the new Caddy.
Thanks, ya can't kick it without the Cricket,  | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:23 pm | |
| - Sprocket wrote:
- two questions
1. what color did you use of the rub strips 2. how did you prep the surface of same?
Mine were painted silver and they are all flaking off now.
Car looks fantastic btw
Prep was scotchbrite pad and prepsol type product. The color is Black Night Metallic, a Rustoleum can product and the clearcoat wat Dupont Chromaclear 7655. | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:26 pm | |
| - phantom 309 wrote:
- Nice job,..kudo's for your patience, and attention to detail,.
I have so wanted a fleetwood for so long,.
white with burgundy first choice,.
dcm and burgundy like yours second choice,. Thank you Mr. Phantom. | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:28 pm | |
| - buickestate wrote:
- you got her all fixed up and looking nice
Than you sir. | |
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Andebe

Posts : 3323 Join date : 2013-02-20 Age : 51 Location : Marion,NC
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:39 am | |
| - kadonte wrote:
- Andebe wrote:
- Very nice ride. I see even the Cricket digs the new Caddy.
Thanks, ya can't kick it without the Cricket,  Still laughing...That should be a t-shirt or at least a bumper sticker. | |
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kadonte

Posts : 117 Join date : 2013-11-16 Age : 70 Location : Northern Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: My Wagon was lonely........so Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:35 pm | |
| My wagon and my fleetwood became lonely...........................  | |
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