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Fred Kiehl

Fred Kiehl


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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 26, 2021 6:58 am

Crank but no start. Put a new fuel pump in, but need another person to turn the key while I watch for symptoms...injectors, spark.
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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 26, 2021 7:23 pm

I got some bolts off, but not much else. It is amazing how much all my muscles hurt when I am working under the car.
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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 26, 2021 8:04 pm

sorry to hear the engine blew up! Sad
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Fred Kiehl

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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeWed Dec 29, 2021 9:38 pm

I got the headers out of the way, and the head bolts are all loose. Tomorrow I take the heads off, and see which rod broke (piston not in sync). I should have the engine out this week, and I will take some pics of the carnage. I am almost afraid to open it up, but I can not fix it if I don't. I don't see any holes in the block so far, so maybe I am going to come out of this in reasonably good shape. I can turn the crank far enough to get to all of the TC bolts, so I can just pull the engine, and not the trans too. I am going to send the TC back for a refreshing as well. It was acting weird with no engine braking at all.

I must get the White Elephant running as well. I am walking back and forth to my dad's just to work on them. I think the walking is good for me. My life is relatively sedentary, and it is getting easier to walk the distance.
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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeThu Dec 30, 2021 7:30 pm

I pulled the heads today. #7 is the culprit. The carnage is bad. I broke a valve, and it went though the cylinder wall. Took the piston out with it, and twisted the rod. beat up the head as well. Could have been the cylinder wall failed, and was the cause. It is really a mess. I hope the crank survived.
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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 31, 2021 8:51 pm

How did the rocker arm, pedestal, pushrod look? I know you had some rocker arm and lifter breakage early on plus pedestal issues and this sure looks like it could be related to that kind of issue.

Have you identified a probable root cause?
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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeSat Jan 01, 2022 7:22 am

I believe the cause was that the cylinder wall broke first. The carnage is far to great for a valve breaking. The block came from a truck, and could have been damaged long before I got it.

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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeSat Jan 01, 2022 4:44 pm

A 2000 truck with a 454 just showed up in the local LKQ. I will spent Monday there, and probably Tues, and Wed. I am after just the short block. I looked at the valve gear, and it looks really clean.

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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeMon Jan 03, 2022 6:56 pm

I have 3 bolts to remove and the short block is mine. I will be at the yard at 9:00 Tomorrow.

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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeWed Jan 05, 2022 8:40 pm

It turned out to be 5 bolts, but I still pulled the short block by 11:00 on Tuesday, and disassembled it today. I found a machine shop that can get it back to me in about a week or week and a half. The crank in the donor looks really nice as well. It turned out to be a 4 bolt main block. I guess that only counts if the cylinder walls don't break.

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Good stuff, Fred. Glad to see that it is all working out.
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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Jan 07, 2022 5:42 pm

The block, and crank are at the machine shop.

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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeMon Jan 10, 2022 7:45 pm

I got a donor core support to replace the one damaged by the tow guy. I wire wheeled it, and painted it today. I may pull the old block tomorrow or Wednesday. I need to get the usable/sellable parts off of it, and scrap the bad parts. The torque converter is going for a checkup, because it was acting up.
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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeThu Jan 20, 2022 9:09 pm

The engine is out. I have started disassembly, and there is one broken rod. There are also a lot of small chunks rattling around in the oil pan. I am not overly happy with the condition of the cam and some of the rollers on the lifters. I will probably replace the cam, and the lifters. The referbed block is ready for pickup tomorrow. I need to mic the journals on the polished crank so I can get the correct bearings. They will probably be -.001, but could be std. I believe the crank in the damaged engine is in good condition. I have been checking the journals as I take it apart, and they look really nice. I will take pics tomorrow.

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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Jan 21, 2022 6:33 pm

Here are a few more pics of the carnage. I think the cylinder got water in it when the car was at the custom body shop...it sat outside without a hood for almost a year. It may have been hydraulically locked, and bent the rod when I started it.

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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeYesterday at 5:59 pm

I got my donor block back today, and it only cost me $440 to get it bored .030 over, and have the decks milled. He had to mill .007 off of the decks to get it right. I must do the cleaning, but I have time not money. I must get my gun cleaning brushes out to clean the oil galleries.

The donor crank polished up nicely and was included in the price. Monday I will be measuring the journals, and ordering bearings.

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PostSubject: Re: Big block build for the Starship   Big block build for the Starship - Page 7 Icon_minitimeToday at 2:13 pm

that's some pretty good destruction!

sounds like a reasonable price for the machine work.
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