Roo Wagon Down again

No shroud will cause it to overheat in short order, especially while towing. That's why you overheated it.

Shrouds are VERY important on a mechanical fan car. Doh!

you can use a kitchen sink for a shroud

DBeaSSt wrote:

I'm pretty sure I have a TBI shroud laying around, you need upper and lower parts?

Yeah, the whole thing got trashed.

I thought you pulled the shroud when I got there! Geez, maybe it's the 8000 RPM you are turning, lol.

Pull the shroud off of Grimmy for now.

Good idea. Poor Grimace. Rob from the parts-rich to give to the poor.

lol

roll on his tires too....just saying

Yeah. I need to break the wheel locks off my car first. Body shop lost the key... fml.

take a 12 point metric socket,. smaller than your locks,.
BFH,.. drive the socket onto the lock,.it'll undo easy,.whacking it with bfh loosens the wheel nut seating on the aluminum rim,..,.airgun makes it easy,. big breaker bar is the manual way,.

put the socket on a 12" extension,. roll the socket across something solid while you beat the sides with the bfh,. the lock will pop out,.
repeat as necessary,.

Nick

so tell me again why you guys pulled the intake?

Ray before you do anything else please get the shroud off the other wagon before you lose something very very important to you.Hard to tell but I heard a vaccum leak that didnt seem to change pitch when you revved it up.As Nick said that loaded trailer and no shroud caused the overheating.The leak was probably always there and you just noticed the puddle while on the side of the road.Although the starter sounded fine is the wire connection that you are suppose to unplug prior to adjusting the timing plugged back in?Its on the passenger side of the engine about even with the thermostat housing.If the timing was too far advanced the starter usually strains to turn the engine over.Please put the air cleaner nuts back on and tighten up.Is that tape residue on plug wire number 1 or 3 or is the wire insulation coming off?
Going back to watch and listen to your engine some more!

phantom 309 wrote:

take a 12 point metric socket,. smaller than your locks,.
BFH,.. drive the socket onto the lock,.it'll undo easy,.whacking it with bfh loosens the wheel nut seating on the aluminum rim,..,.airgun makes it easy,. big breaker bar is the manual way,.

put the socket on a 12" extension,. roll the socket across something solid while you beat the sides with the bfh,. the lock will pop out,.
repeat as necessary,.

Nick

so tell me again why you guys pulled the intake?

Solid idea. Can do that.

If putting a fan shroud on the car fixes it I think we're all going to jump up and down.

If you don't have all this crap solved before I get there ~3 weeks, I'll come straight over and help you out.

81X11 wrote:

If putting a fan shroud on the car fixes it I think we're all going to jump up and down.

well,. not all of us,.too much effort,..

Well, a fan shroud won't solve the oil leak or engine noise. lololol

Heading out for a bit this morning, but when I get home, I'll see what's up.

Ray,
Good advice here. Fix the things mentioned. Don't be so quick to buy a used engine from a JY. Who knows what that vehicle sounded like before it ended up there.

From the 8 pages on this thread, one would have expected a rod knock and a Texas style oil gusher, at least.

Then go mail some resumes out.

Dick

the location of the leak looks like the oil filter adapter. PIA I replaced mine and less than a year later had to replace it again. I found it funny because everyone on here keeps complaining about the oil filter hoses leaking. Mine are fine but that dang seal where the adapter mounts tot he block has leaked on me twice. The second time the gasket looked a lot thicker so I'm hoping it won't blow when it gets cold again. If it does I'm going with some RTV sealant and adding it to the new gasket.

Check the vacuum like Nick said.

I to am curious why you felt the need to pull the intake? And a timing light is a great investment. just say'n

Discussion regarding sourcing a replacement engine moved here to clean up the thread:

https://gmlongroof.4umer.com/t8605-1992-tbi-engine-replacement-options-discussion

Trying to diagnose the current engine situation is hard enough without the added distraction.

- J

Alright, so that still leaves the mystery noise.

I'm at a loss.

81X11 wrote:

If putting a fan shroud on the car fixes it I think we're all going to jump up and down.

Safety first and that exposed fan is a accident just waiting to happen!

Ray...is your dog in the car with you (on the test drive video?)

Check to make sure the adapter is tight. I ditched the oil cooler lines too on my old OCC (Sprockets now) I was leaking at the adapter and up by the rad. Lol

Yeah, Moose was in the car. Hahaha.

Stingroo wrote:

Yeah, Moose was in the car. Hahaha.

Hahaa...ok. I was like "what the heck is that..." Then it dawned on me.

He was jonesing for some car time. Poor guy.

Okay so I put an ad on craigslist and a local guy, like REALLY local, came over with a timing light and helped me re-set it all. It runs nicely. Seems to still make the clattery noise, but not as bad as before.

Fingers crossed but I dont think its done yet!Is the shroud on yet?

Not yet. Just going to give the one from Grimace for now.

What kind of an ad did you put on Craigslist?? "Come time my car"?? Now that has to be a first!

Any feedback from the craigslist "timer",. as to what his opinion is on the noise???

Nick

Young slim male needs timing light, enjoys large open pipes, copious amounts of oil, and running around with no shroud on.

Dude was there in 10 minutes!

Mark 96 Roady wrote:

What kind of an ad did you put on Craigslist?? "Come time my car"?? Now that has to be a first!

Asked if anyone had a timing light that I could borrow. Advance's rental unit was out. I really didn't want to spare the cash to buy one. The guy ended up living one street over from me, and knew the car/house, and was really cool.

Re: the noise - he said I should just run thicker oil. *shrug*

a pail of synthetic 75w-90,.. up on the roof with a drip feed,..in the top of the motor, out the bottom,.
that'll fixer up,.
Tea bee eyes love that stuff,..

lmao

I'll take another video of it tomorrow. It DOES sound better, but I still think there's another issue here.

Stingroo wrote:

lmao

I'll take another video of it tomorrow. It DOES sound better, but I still think there's another issue here.

something to do with the intake mebbe,..

This time - no! I really don't think so!

Sprocket wrote:

Young slim male needs timing light, enjoys large open pipes, copious amounts of oil, and running around with no shroud on.

Dude was there in 10 minutes!

Wow, you are sicker than I am...

Mark... lol

Ray not sure if there are any LKQ you-pull-it near you but the one in Daytona is having a 50% off sale Sat-Mon. They did geta 91 Caprice from Sanford police in today. The wife and I are going picking tomorrow.

Yeah, there's one in West Palm Beach. I'm heading down.

Fan shroud from Grimace on the car now. Seems to be okay now, except for the oil leak. Will inspect tomorrow and see. I know it isn't the cooler lines - those are brand new as of about a year ago. Adapter gasket, I suppose, is a possibility.

Stingroo wrote:

Yeah, there's one in West Palm Beach. I'm heading down.

Fan shroud from Grimace on the car now. Seems to be okay now, except for the oil leak. Will inspect tomorrow and see. I know it isn't the cooler lines - those are brand new as of about a year ago. Adapter gasket, I suppose, is a possibility.

adapter gasket can fail because of the heat,.
get the updated dorman,. its a thicker aluminum/paper gasket,.part number above

you visually verified beyond all doubt its not the lines leaking at the adapter?

i,m just saying,......

Will do.

And,. the other thing i was going to mention about the engine "noise"
perhaps slip the belt off and run the car at idle and above for a minut of so, perhaps its a waterpump bearing/broken impeller,. p/s pump,. alt,..yada yada,.

do it when the motors cold,.

I could leave the belt on and check those parts with a mechanic's stethoscope too, right? That's how I found out my AIR pump was going south.

Hmmm...

*adds to list*

Or, you could take a second and take the belt off and see if the noise is gone with no accessories moving.

I too, was going to suggest the water pump bearing getting fried.

phantom 309 wrote:

And,. the other thing i was going to mention about the engine "noise"
perhaps slip the belt off and run the car at idle and above for a minut of so, perhaps its a waterpump bearing/broken impeller,. p/s pump,. alt,..yada yada,.

do it when the motors cold,.

I find recordings tend to distort sounds, but that's pretty much what I thought when I just listened to the clip -- that sounds like an accessory bearing rattling around. Perhaps the belt tensioner.

And yes, a mechanic's stethoscope is a great way to isolate and identify the location of a noise, but be very careful using one in the neighbourhood of the fan belt!

You know, I did notice the tensioner jumping a little bit when I looked at it running last.


I'll swap the one from Grimace and see what happens.

Don't swap..... ISOLATE. you need to remove the belts to replace the tensioner anyway, just run the car without the belt for a min or so and see what happens. Worst case is that nothing changes.

What he ^^^^ said!

X3

So, what's the latest?

Mark 96 Roady wrote:

So, what's the latest?

He's driving it around. Thinking about how he should diagnose it. And not listening to any of our suggestions.